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Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document
(www.theguardian.com)
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The topic is child (cannot consent, hell in some cases cannot talk yet because too young) circumcision, you are talking about puberty+(can semi-consent: can decide who to live with in family seperation for example) issues?
I agree about the black market but perfect is the enemy of good?
Also harmless? WTF
There’s lots of things that parents do to their kids without their consent. I’d argue it’s worse to share their face on social media than to circumcise due to the true dangers of predators usage of technology. That doesn’t mean I think parents should be considered abusive if they do. That said, this is in the UK so I don’t have a horse in that race.
This is your fantasy. Sharing their face on social media is less dangerous than biking to a friend's house
Depends on where you live.
No no it doesn't again outside of your fantasy. Almost all harm that comes to kids unfortunately comes from people who are close to said kid.
Did you think there are random people on facebook waiting for a picture of a kid so they can somehow find that kid? Your perspective is demented.
What fantasy? Check who you rely to.
Kids bicycling is perfectly safe around where i live.
Posting kids' photos on the internet is never safe unless you take serious precautions (like covering the whole face).
Btw OP's post is about child mutilation, not photos.
No not it isn't its in fact far more dangerous than your drive to work by the numbers.
There is no reason to believe someone's face being posted on the internet is a substantial risk because although kids do get hurt or killed the overwhelming factors are trust by kids and family members and in a tiny minority of cases either opportunity created by the kids being unsupervised and perceptibly vulnerable or tricked into communicating with a bad person.
There is no reason to believe any significant number of cases had its genesis in a situation whereby the perp saw the kids face posted on facebook and said that kid that kid is the one I'm going to kidnap whereas cases that had their genesis in physical opportunity or trust are incredibly common.
How in your mind DOES this work. Do you think that snatchers are furiously combing facebook for kid faces and then doing detective work to identify and surveil the location looking for an opportunity to do the snatch? Does this sound real?
Studies show that we are terrible at understanding the magnitude of risk of uncommon events and drastically over estimate uncommon risk and underestimate commonly faced risks. For example the number of kids who were attacked because their face was posted on facebook in 2025 is probably zero but almost a thousand people per year die on bicycles and 400,000 are injured and end up in the emergency room.
Bikes are very dangerous. Posting your tike's face... not so much. The dangerous people are statistically the perverts you will stupidly trust because you have shitty judgement WHILE obsessing about not posting their face on facebook.
If the parents were made aware that its abusive and do it anyways then yes its abuse. Some people will question things naturally and thats fine, others will need information brought to them directly and thats also fine.
We should expect parents to put effort into making the best decisions they can with the information they have available.
Again, people get their baby's ears pierced all the time. And that's just the tip of the iceberg on parent approved medical procedures. If circumcision upsets you, how do you feel about ear tubes, tonsillectomies, and cleft pallet repair?
I would say the cost of criminalization far outweighs the benefit.
People should not be piercing their baby's ears too. Neat that you used the same argument Republicans use use against gay marriage. We don't see your kind here to often.
People shouldn't be arrested for piercing a babies ears either.
Having the police kick down your door and drag you to a cell over this shit is not an improved outcome
How are people going to be dragged to a cell for getting a procedure done that no Dr will do again?
That's the whole problem. You won't have doctors doing it. You'll have rabbis doing it.
Why would Rabbis be immune from the law again? If you cannot legally perform a procedure then you cannot legally perform a procedure. No this wouldn't violate freedom of religion because holding them to the same law as everyone else isn't discrimination.
You've drifted from "everyone will just follow the law" to "I can't wait to throw a bunch of rabbis in jail"
Banning a sacrament?
You can't just call anything a sacrament and it magically becomes a different thing legally. It's perfectly ok to have standards for medical procedure and have it apply to all.
How? Its child abuse.
You are truly sick with how much it's important for you to chop off babies dicks. You are defending a barbaric stupid meaningless ritual with such ridiculous arguments, why?
Having children ears pierced should also be criminal, but at least with ear piercing it doesn't do any damage and can be removed later, as opposed to having their genitals mutallated by a religious nutjob for nothing.
Fact is, this would die out if not forced on helpless babies at 8 days old because no sane person would want to inflict this on their body unless theres a very good medical reason (which there is none for most of people).
All the examples you gave stem out from the person's own decision or due to medical necessity.
I would argue that people who support this fucked up ritual should also be criminalized.
It's sick to arrest people. The entire criminal justice system in the UK is a nightmare of abuse and neglect.
Anyone who would advocate finding new reasons to expose more people to it is deranged. Anything you think you're protecting people from pales in comparison to expanding the scope of your miserable fascist police state
I truly believe that the jailing system is hell on earth and is not a fix for anything. Having said that, I never mentioned jailing anyone, just said it should be criminalized.
Its not a 'new reason', its literally an ancient one. People have been doing this sick shit since before history. I think their recoknin should come NOW.
Since this how our law system operates, it is very fine by me to release all the people who were arrested for drug offences and shoplifting, and replace them with all the baby-dicks-chopping-sick-fucks. If you hurt someone else, especially defenseless ones, you should be reformed(HARD) before allowed to return back to society. I do believe that giving you all the professional guidance and psychological counseling you need with your mental illness will serve us all way better than jailing you.
Talking about fascism - being a right wing nut job that lives by ridiculous 'religious doctrine' is the fascism here. Trying to save innocent humans from mutalation is something you think is fascistic??? Then what is the whole point of pretending we have a 'civilized society'??? So much stupidity and cruelty, you should be ashamed.
What do you think the consequences of criminalization happen to be?
If it was an either-or game, I could almost sympathize with the sentiment. But this isn't either-or. You're packing them all in cheek-to-jowl. The prison population of England & Wales quadrupled in size between 1900 and 2018, with around half of this increase taking place since 1990. And it posed to keep growing with an additional 95,700 to 105,200 by March 2029.
There is no end to it. There is no swapping out the less-bad for the more-worse. You're just finding a new excuse to add more people to the incarceration pile.
Whatever we as a society decide them to be. It can also be community service, financial penalties, institutionalization, etc..
And regarding the rest, I'm not sure if you are trolling or not so I'll give it a last try.
You are deflecting from the main point. Are you so bothered by the fact that these people would be jailed that you are willing to accept babies gential mutlation for the sake of religion? Any reason other than critical medial emergency is straight up degenerate and insane. Do you also think that it should be allowed on females?
What about pedophiles? Murderers? Rapists? Should they also roam free because you are uncomfortable with jailing?
You won't solve crime, nor the incarceration problems by letting psychos do whatever the fuck they want. Something gotta give. Currently the choice is between letting people practice barbaric, sadistic and primitive rituals that causes pain, suffering and death to others, or letting them go through the justice system(however messed up that system may be).
As I said earlier, I fully support institutionalizing them for psych evaluation and treatment and allowing them back to society only once they are fully rehabilitated, but since we live in a broken society, jailing them would be the lesser evil. If they do not want to experience the 'joys' of going through this process, maybe they should mutilate their own gentilia instead of those of innocent children. This would also be fine by me.
The cost of criminalizing it is virtually nobody does it because they don't want to lose their license or go to jail this seems pretty cheap
Rabbis will continue to perform the surgery in secret, in the same way piercings and abortions and transgender surgery continues in the face of criminalization.
You can't keep such secrets at scale at all. Abortions can be performed by giving someone a couple of pills whilst not being visibly pregnant and thereby avoiding life changing, ruining, or sometimes ending consequences of pregnancy.
It is damn near impossible to keep people from getting abortions because we give women so many reasons to have them. Compared to that almost all circumcisions would stop because it would be impossible to hide any substantial portion of the pop getting or giving them.
You are arguing we shouldn't enact a policy that would end 99.9% because somewhere someone would be doing 0.1%
Literally the same thing that female genital mutilators say about their 'cultural right' to circumsize their daughters.
What are kids anyway in your eyes beyond property that parents should have the right to permanently brand with their mark of religion.
If you knew anything about the subject, you wouldn't be saying this.