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It sounds like you still can't.
As much as I hate AI, what basis do you have for this person being unable to do the things stated besides them being an AI user? I am biased to think of AI users as cheap shortcut-takers who don't care about doing things the right way and are easily fooled by something that appears to work without knowing any of the underlying problems that will come back to bite them in the end. I also can't really come up with any good-faith interpretation here for what you said. I would have to reach to the sun to read the previous comments here and interpret this as trying to gently inform them it's possible there were subtle errors in everything the chatbot said and that they might want to double-check against more credible sources that they actually did manage to do exactly what they wanted. Maybe you're similarly frustrated with AI like me (and thus understandably not wanting to hand credibility to those saying it helped them, lest someone else get pro-AI and help in creating enough pro-AI sentiment for out-of-touch decision-makers to see that they'll decide it can replace all of us in an enterprise environment with complex code) and venting frustration. But it still just looks like trying to insult them because they go against the largely anti-AI consensus here and that really does not sit well with me. Especially since this is not some private vent to a friend, it's a direct reply to a person who's going to read that and maybe feel bad. And as a fellow anti-AI person, man getting insulted by people is not going to make me friendly to listening to any arguments they have. I want civility and discussion to take precedence over "lol dissenter incompetent, probably the worst stereotype we have of someone who holds a position kind of like theirs" shots. :(
civility salt from me
Saw someone talk about how much friendlier Lemmy is than Reddit, and I have to wonder what they're subscribed to specifically because I see unfriendly potshots like this taken and upvoted decently often. It's the kind of thing that would make me think participating is risky and just never say anything, it is why I've deleted so many comments I make that disagree with anyone's position ever because I don't want to deal with that kind of behavior aimed at me. Just frustrated and tired and venting here, not trying to be scoldy or sanctimonious, but already dreading the "jesus you're not my mother, oversensitive much?" comment in the morning. Also too tired and hoping someone who might have chosen to post some "clever" insult as a reply on some other post might see this post and choose compassion instead and make their point without the insult, or just scroll away. Because it's frustrating wanting to relax and instead seeing people being mean to each other. I really have to stop clicking on anything remotely controversial in an effort to avoid seeing something like this. This isn't the first insult I've seen upvoted on Lemmy by far, it's just probably the first one I've commented on about how it made me feel without promptly deleting the comment in fear of conflict and being insulted myself—kind of a "straw that broke the camel's back" thing. Seeing this kind of thing occur on almost any thread that talks about anything remotely controversial isn't the most encouraging for people who want to have civilized discussions on meaningful things that people might passionately disagree on on the Fediverse. Also constantly editing to try to remove any hypocrisy on my part where I insult back or make unreasonable unflattering assumptions out of frustration myself.How blinded by your hate/rage are you that you blindly(!) dismiss the things I do (a random person you do not know) with the help of that tool? Disgusting MAGA level of "argument".
Hate or rage? That's absolutely silly. I'm a computer scientist and I value actual skill.
I mean do a little thought experiment. If there was a dude who followed me around everywhere and I could always ask him for code-based solutions to things, and he gives them to me, am I coding? Have I actually done anything?
You could argue that the system of he and I were accomplishing something together but the problem with that logic is that if you removed me from the system, as a middleman, you're left with someone who still did the work. In that particular system I add absolutely nothing, therefor I'm not actually a part that is of any real use.
If the box is handing you the answers to things you don't know how to do then guess what - you still don't know how to do those things. Eventually you get into a position where you have a product that you can no longer properly understand, debug, or make any real use out of.
I think the real tell here is how sensitive you are if anybody calls you out on your b******* and even the smallest way. Have a nice day :-).
If you use a sewing machine to fix your clothes, did you even do anything? That is the level of argument we are at here. Absolutely ridiculous. It saved me so much time already. Sure I can also digest a datasheet, put all the registers down, glue logic, bla bla bla, but instead of wasting 10 hours I am already done with everything an hour later.
Well you've picked an absolutely terrible analogy, which makes sense given how sensitive you are about it.
If you were able to talk to the sewing machine and tell it exactly what to do with the fabrics what patterns to follow and so forth--then no you haven't done s***.
I sew my own clothes and costumes so I know this to be true. Sewing using a machine is no trivial thing. You have to understand the mechanics of the machine the patterns etc. You have to understand how to read a pattern or come up with one yourself and you have to implement it with the correct stitching the correct fabric and so forth.
If you wanted to pick apart my analogy in an actual careful sense, you would have a situation where you have a person who understands how to use the sewing machine and you give them instructions. But again, in terms of the system you aren't providing any value. The person doing the sewing is. You would still be superfluous and you still wouldn't understand what's actually going on. Call yourself a manager, but don't call yourself a tailor or seamstress.
But what you did is pick an object That is a regular tool and claim that it's doing the same job, which is preposterous.
Our compilers already do massive amounts of syntax and semantic checking. Our linyers do the same. There's a ton of tools that don't involve articulating at a high level what you want and magically getting back your entire process.
Sure, you're done an hour later. And you have no idea what the limitations of your system are. You have no idea what sort of bugs are hidden from your test. You have zero ability to comprehend what's actually going on inside if you don't actually understand the domain.
What you are is a vibe code or by the sounds of it. Honestly I prefer the old school script kiddies because at least they were doing something themselves.
Basically what you're doing is the same thing as me opening up CAD and then pretending that I'm an engineer. I'm not a f****** engineer. I didn't take the right training. I'm not licensed in the area. I can create a 3D model all day long. But that's literally all I can do.
I think you need to understand your limitations the same way the rest of the world does.