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Framework 13 all the way
I cancelled my framework 16 order because of their "big tent" policy meaning they give funding to Hyperland and Omarchy, I will not give my money to people who fund racists
Eh, I get it, but you can't win every battle.
I have a 16 and a 13. I bought them both before that thread.
I am not expecting my single cancellation to make the slightest difference to their policy, they already made it clear that they are quite happy funding racists when multiple people have challenged them over it, and with one of their larger pots of cash they give out as well.
What I am getting out of is knowing I am not (indirectly) funding racists myself, rather than knowingly funding racists. I do not see it any different from buying products from Musk, if you did it ages ago then fine, but after, thats something else entirely.
I get it, but also if I stopped buying everything from every racist / racist supporter, I would have no real options for laptops generally speaking.
Michael Dell is a complete and total Trump supporter. Should I buy an XPS?
Tim Cook designed and delivered a custom award to Trump. Knowing this, should I buy an Apple?
I understand wanting to vote with your dollars but in practice there are few or no ethical options for many things that you can buy.
I wouldn't buy a Dell because I wouldn't trust the hardware, his position is just the icing. Whole reason I wanted the framework was because I wanted something to last a very long time, I simply do not trust Dell to provide support or parts long term.
The Tim Apple situation hurt, as I really liked the apple silicon for build quality and I had an old Intel Macbook that did indeed last a very long time (still boots even now). However their RAM/Storage pricing for what is an essential amount of storage for me mean even without Timmys boot licking making them a non starter.
I wont buy Nvidia because of their shitty Linux support, Huang being an absolute womble
Lenovo is about as good as you getting for a mainstream brand, and they are ultimately owned by the CCP so meh.
I think with Framework it particularly hurts as at least with Dell or Apple they are quite openly rimming Trump because it will give them competitive advantage and tax cuts while they never really pretended to be for the public good.
WTF do Framework get by supporting Hyperland or Omarchy? Its literary supporting your racist uncle who makes moonshine for half a dozen people when you set yourself up to be an ethical alternative whose current market is more likely to be ethical seeking. Imagine if Oxfam or Doctors without Borders started supporting Trump? World of difference from the NRA supporting Trump due to the starting position.
Yeah, the whole situation sucks. I totally agree and wish that framework would reconsider their position on the matter.
The country is basically unrecognizable at this point IMO. The capitulation that has occurred so quickly in the second Trump term was stunning to behold. For a vast array of industries (computers being one of them), every reasonably ethical option feels like it flew out the window.
In addition to being owned by the CCP, they purposely installed rootkits on consumer hardware for intense data gathering, and it ended up getting compromised.
I dont use factory installed images from anybody, mostly because of this shit. I also dont use windows, not that I would trust a factory installed Linux either
Didn't the superfish certificate install itself from UEFI even if you used your own windows image?
Which looked like a gold-plated plastic turd, but Trump likely can't recognize that with his absence of taste. Apple so obviously could make something better-looking that I've had a solid chuckle seeing that shit, and my opinion of Apple hadn't moved. In exchange for that piece of crap they've gotten Trump to lay his mitts off tariffs on what Apple needed, so sounds like a job well done to me. It's not Apple's business to topple an idiot that stupid USian public elected.
The turd was just the icing on top of the shit cake dude. They gave that jack off millions of dollars.
Welp, then I guess you're the type of customer they fully deserve.
How many millions did they give? I know of the one million for the inauguration. Do you think one million is much money for either Apple or Trump?
Keep apologizing for Tim Apple! 🍏🍎
Such argument, very informative, wow. Maybe don't attempt an argument if you don't actually have anything to say.
I'm a little miffed with framework actually.
I had a order with them that they chose to cancel because they just randomly charged the account one day months after I had pre-ordered something, and there wasn't enough money in the account because I didn't know when they were going to charge for it. They didn't contact me or anything, they just cancelled the order. Thanks guys.
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I never ordered a Framework before but I'm planning to do this year. Isn't that how it's supposed to be? Last time I visited their site it was written that you pay a reserve price at the time of order, then they charge your card later with the remainig price before they ship it.
Right but who has like three grand just sitting in a checking account, that shit in a savings account because I'm not Bill Gates and I need every penny I can get from the interest? If they're not going to tell you at the time that you pre-order when they're going to bill you, then they need to contact you ahead of time or that's going to keep happening.
I mean, I have that in my account. But I'm also paranoid about bounced checks and don't see the appeal of getting a nickel a month in exchange for worrying about something suddenly eating my float and causing bounced checks.
The interest rate on the savings account tied to my checking is not great...
Since when are there savings accounts with interest rates worth even calculating? The interest rate on my savings account is down at 0.01%.
Yes, but jokes aside, it seems like you can find whatever you need for MacBooks from circa 2010 to 2012. At least, when I needed something, I could find it without issues.
I prefer my to buy computers from companies that aren't actively combating repairability efforts for their products and purposefully making them prematurely obsolete.
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