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[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This diagram shows the LCOE (levelized cost of electricity) for various technologies - i.e. how much does one kWh of electricity cost if you divide the total number of generated kWh by the total cost of the power plant.

"utility-scale solar" means large-scale flat-area solar parks

But will Fusion ever be cheaper than solar?

I doubt it; It's not only about technology costs but also about advantages like decentralization. If you can generate your own electricity in your own back-yard, you're much more independent than if you're dependent on large-scale fusion power. Because that will necessarily be very large-scale and centralized because nobody can set up a fusion reactor in their own back yard.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

But will Fusion ever be cheaper than solar?

Eventually. But, much like traditional fission power, you'll need a very large and complex piece of infrastructure to deliver it.

You won't be able to put a fusion plant in your basement like you can put solar on your roof.

[-] BurnoutDV@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

but isnt it being centralized being the point? I have the (probably not so rare) tin foil theory that big energy spends a lot of money to dampen solar and other decentralized power generation. As a politician you have to ask yourself, do I get nice packages from big energy for not looking so closely when another forest is turned into a hole or do I hope that 20000 random people try to bribe me for something. In terms of money gain for a few big power plant is double plus good. Boring solar might be better for all of us, the rest, but not for the guys calling the shots. This all assumes of course that there is no empathy at all in the local legislation

[-] kossa@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

That's why I always want to crowdsource corruption. Everybody who wants something gives 3 Euro/Dollar/Whatever and we just carry those cash suitcases to the morons in charge. What big companies can do, we can do!

[-] YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 weeks ago

I haven't looked into it but isn't the problem that bribing and corruption, as we general think of it, is not common anymore. They've gotten creative.

They don't hand you cash. they form super PACs that are legislative black holes so "people that align with you politically" can use that money to help you run, or your family member is hired as a VP in a company where they do nothing but get millions in stock options. They can also you can also get paid for talks, meetings, lectures in exotic locations. Hell, Clarence the supreme court judge gets stuff all the time from his billionaire friend. here's John Oliver.

[-] kossa@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

Well, I just give them a contract for a speech of two minutes, worth 3 million, I guess. Even those politicians will see the appeal in just receiving plain ol' money instead of jumping through all those hoops.

[-] Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Solar has the problem of storage. You need something like a generator to tide those in-between times. Also you need the signal to be a clean 60 hz and solar apparently isn't very good at keeping the power clean.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 weeks ago

Solar is technically fusion though

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

Solar is Fusion as a Service or FaaS technology.

[-] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

The sun is in the cloud(s)?

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Technically, there's only two sources of energy in the universe: nuclear energy and the expansion of the cosmos.

Like, solar is fusion, ofc, the light coming from the sun. So is wind and water and bioenergy (indirectly). Geothermal is fission (heat comes from radioactive decay inside Earth).

But then there's another source of energy that nobody ever talks about: tidal power It works by converting the rise and fall of water with the tides into electrical energy. This energy ultimately comes from the moon orbiting around Earth, more precisely, its mechanical energy: The fact that the moon is distant from Earth is only because the universe expanded after the big bang. Had it not done this, the moon and earth would be located at the same location, and there would be no "orbiting" to extract energy out of :P


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