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[-] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 20 points 1 year ago

I'm glad s/he was able to nuke the CSAM, even if other material was nuked with it. This crap is why I'm not hosting.

Please, call it CSAM (child sexual abuse material) and not CP (child pornography). The children in these photos/videos can't make pornography, they're sexually abused into making this material. CP insinuates that it's legitimate porn with children. CSAM, on the other hand, calls it what it is: sexual abuse of children.

[-] Tranus@programming.dev 31 points 1 year ago

That is needlessly pedantic. I have never heard of anyone using the word pornography to imply legality or moral acceptability. There is no such thing as "legitimate" CP, so there is no need to specify that it's not ok every time it is mentioned. No one in their right mind would presume he's some kind of CP supporting monster for failing to do so.

[-] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No one in their right mind would assume that OP is. But the term was created to legitimize the material. So, while you're correct in that it is picky, it is also picky for a reason. Words are powerful. We should fight to not empower the legitimation of that term, among other things.

[-] Tranus@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But the term was created to legitimize the material.

Do you have a source for that? I can't find anything that states the origin of the term itself is seedy. Besides, it's just a plain description: it's pornography with children in it.

The only sources I can find that support CSAM over CP claim that CP somehow implies consent. But I'm saying that simply isn't the case. I am not saying that words arent powerful. I am not saying that no words ever need to be changed. I am saying that these words don't need to be changed.

Based on those same sources, I'd speculate that this outrage is just misplaced anger. They almost immediately start talking about how bad sexual abuse is, which is not really relevant to whether it should be called CP or CSAM. Just because CP is bad, does not mean the term CP is bad.

Honestly, I don't care what you choose to call it. Our world warrants us certain freedoms, and how we use those freedoms will set the stage for the future world. As you've said, CP implies consent. If you would like to spread the implication that these children somehow consented to be part of this sexual abuse material, then keep calling it CP. I, with the rest of those who wish to not spread the lie that they consented, will call it CSAM.

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