In short
I got a reply from a prolific anti-vegan troll and referred them back to an earlier conversation we had. Got banned for "harassment" and "following someone around" when in fact they replied to me and keep following vegans around when they post against anti-vegan propaganda.
The 14-day ban and comment removals by @aeronmelon@lemmy.world: https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog/45638?page=1&actionType=All&modId=6106918&userId=18352111
And the posts in question:
The comments when I posted them rendered as
Oh hey its you
The link is to a discussion which expanded is this here (The link goes to the comment with the highlighted star):
With background
The person in question is a very dedicated anti-vegan troll who is known to make non-sequitur claims as replies to vegans, in the hopes of roping then into a defensive position under the guise of "debate".
To exemplify this I engaged with them a couple months ago and got a perfect showcase of their behaviour. I had never used this and have never replied to them since then (at least I don't remember that I have and searching didn't turn anything up). But then when they replied to me yesterday I did. And got promptly banned for "harassment" and "following someone around". I messaged the mod who banned me to no reply.
Their behaviour is being enabled by lemmy.world mods like @aeronmelon@lemmy.world who will readily delete comments made by vegans should they dare step a foot outside of the norms of "civilized debate", like e.g. in the same thread (1) and (2). The petulant and incessant trolling by them is of course never subject to such moderation actions.
To any vegan comrades, do not engage this troll, you risk getting banned and your comments deleted.
Apparently I used wrong account to post this. Will have to switch accounts to my blahaj account on occasion to reply to comments, apologies.
You banned me from feddit for calling out Germany's role in the palestinian genocide lmfao 🤣 And how is replying back to someone following them around? I don't I think I ever initiated an interaction with them. And what brigading? What even are you talking about???
This is the comment you mentioned.
By participating on an instance you have to abide by their rules. Even without you conflating Germany itself with genocides, we would have needed to delete the comment due to the inflammatory nature of the comment. If you had written "the German government is complicit in aiding Israel which is genociding Palestinians" then it would have been fine.
Ooooh I wasn't calling out Genocidesmany's role in pissrahell's genocide nicely enough. Anyone offended by me calling a spade with a Totenkopf a "SSpade" is a nationalist. Genuinely, someone taking offense at "their nation" being called a mean name is a nationalist, there are no two ways about it. Should have banned them and not me if you weren't a lib. I am completely ok with this ban. 🎖
And this kind of behavior is one of the reasons why you arent welcome on feddit anymore. You are spiteful and get abusive.
Most people tend to feel that way towards Zionist neoliberals like yourself and the rest of Feddit's staff, I literally witnessed the fallout from the Europe community hosted on your instance, because Feddit chose to uphold Zionist ideas and silence anti-Zionism claiming it was "aNTiSemiTIc".
Again we have to obey laws where our server is hosted and where most of our userbase or face being shut down. Also hateful speech is generally not allowed on feddit, regardless if it is from Anti-Zionists or Zionists. We have banned a fair share of Antideutsche too.
I know you think that sounds even-handed but please remember that zionism is a form of settler colonialism. You are in effect saying "we don't allow hateful speech whether it is from the afrikaners or the anti-apartheid activists."
Why are you allowing speech from zionists at all? Why shouldn't the antifascists be full of anger towards the pro-genocide camp?
The whole world is witness to what zionism means, this is like coddling 1943 germans. Could you imagine the rhetoric a palestinian who had his wife and kids blown up would use against some of your members? Would they be protected or banned?
It's just a liberal excuse to promote the same garbage and ban any dissent of it, and yes that does include banning antifascists for "politeness".
Spiteful and abusive to nationalists and people who coddle them. I completely understand why I'm not welcome on feddit I just wanted to highlight it.
People need to remember what happened with Feddit's Europe community, and that Feddit chose to double down on censoring anti-Zionst views and claiming they are inherently anti-Semitic.
You get warned and/or banned on Feddit for also celebrating the massacre of Palestinians and being for the destruction of Palestine. Don't jump to conclusions just because you feel you've been censored.
Also I am going to say let's disengage. We've veered terribly far off topic. If you have beef with Feddit, then start a thread elsewhere and maybe one of the other admins can properly explain everything.
Zionists just hide behind hamas to slip their propaganda and feddit let it propagate. Lemmy.world too.
This gives the same energy as "I'm not being racist, I have black friends" that a lot of neolibs argue.
I agree, it's pointless to have this discussion with someone who evades the core point of the criticism with strawmans and false dilemmas What I told @mathemachristian@lemmy.ml still stands, and nothing you say here will change it.
Disengaged.
Fyi, the disengage usage is commonly meant for when someone feels berated or is otherwise emotional upset by the discussion. It's meant for when discussions get to emotional and heated as a way for one party to be able to walk away. It's not meant as a "please stop talking to me", but rather a "i can't bear to listen to this anymore". Particularly for comrades who have trouble communicating or get upset easily to not have to keep repeating "that's not what I meant" only to fail to explain themselves once more.
It's definitely not meant as a way to get a last word in. I'd change the last sentence to "I agree to disengage", or "I will not engage further" to make what you mean clear. Your current usage is very frowned upon and might get you banned on hexbear for instance.
Thanks for the explanation, but if you look at the context, neither of them were employing the disengage rule, the word was just being used in the normal way.
I'm not trying to have the last word, I'm adding clarifying points and then ceasing communication with them because it's pointless. I changed to to make it more clear though without giving the idea that I am capitulating to them.
I have very little concern for what Hexbear thinks considering they ban people for a lot of unreasonable bullshit. Not unlike Feddit does, they just ban people for being against authoritarianism and criticizing authoritarian regimes like North Korea, or China, or Russia.
Fair I was tired and didn't consider the context properly. I also want to note I didn't report you or Emopunker for disengage abuse.
Good to know. I guess that means they got banned purely because ml admins saw them being a Zionist apologist.
I deleted that comment after I banned you. There were a bunch of comments where you were just trolling or being abusive.
And brigading is when you get people to harass a person. You could have just blocked "commie" instead you followed them around and tried to sick people on them.
The "this you" comments that were removed by the mod substantiate the case that you weren't just replying back but were following them around.
The this you comment was to a discussion we had earlier, also initiated by them, I had added that additional context but took it out as requested by @Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com specifically to draw attention away from commie.
They are a very avid troll with a very specific pattern, throw out engagement bait, then discard all arguments as insufficient while never providing any themself. Which is how I kept recognizing them. So I captured their behavior in a thread to refer back as evidence of this pattern.
This isn't following someone around. Replying back to someone refering to an earlier conversation you had with them is not following someone around, I don't know why people try to twist it in such a way.
And yeah I have complete disdain for your zionist instance, the fact that I got banned for "conflating contemporary Germany with genocide" because I was talking about Germany's role in a contemporary genocide is something I wear with pride.
Where am I "getting people to harass a person" or "sicking others on them"? I have no clue what even this could refer to? Who have I messaged or what? Like what even? This post? The one made after that allegation??
When they cause trouble on Feddit, then Feddit admins will deal with them accordingly. It doesn't change the fact that you have been toxic yourself in the past which is why I doubt you are as innocent as you make yourself out to be.
Also zionist instance? We have to be careful with anti-zionist criticism for legal reasons if you had bothered reading our rules. Things you can say on Feddit: "Israel is committing a genocide against Palestinians." "Netanyahu should be in prison." etc. Things that you can't say on Feddit: Calling for genocide against Israelis, calling for the destruction of Israel, supporting Hamas, antisemitic talking points, etc.
These differences should be clear as day.
See conflating all of these things as if they're the same is what makes you zionist. You could just mention the antizionist stuff that you can't say due to legal reasons. Calling for the destruction of an apartheid state is necessary. Imagine you couldn't say stuff like "Death to Rhodesia" or "Death to the 3rd Reich".
It makes you sound like you will delete "Death to Jews" for legal reasons (when there are a few better reasons already) while simultaneously putting it on the same level as "Death to Israel".
Also just move servers to a better country? Like how is this not a complete skill issue? Edit: Also don't preemptively comply with cops! "Legal reasons" is such a sad excuse tbh
doubt all you want, it doesn't change the fact that I simply not have been "following them around" or "sicking people on them". If you are gonna maintain otherwise provide links.
___Then call for the destruction of Israel somewhere else than Feddit. We don't want to get into legal trouble with Austrian authorities just because you felt like calling for something that is legally understood as a call for genocide in Germany, Austria and Switzerland and therefore qualifies as hatespeech (legally speaking).
lol ok
I have been. Your instance is still full of zionist apologia, repeating hasbara like the "7 Oct mass rape" allegations etc. I don't think there are a lot of fedditors who genuinely believe that the destruction of Israel is a necessity. And they never will because talk about it is forbidden. Thus perpetuating zionism.
Also, don't preemptively comply with cops, if they want to shut you down they will find a way even if they have to make something up. Why, if I post "Death to Israhell" right now is not visible from feddit.org? Is it not even hosted on your server? Is the image below not visible from feddit.org ? And if I post it somewhere that federates with feddit.org and it gets enough upvotes, wouldn't it even be on the front page? Maybe it even get's cached on your server? Big trouble if I were a fed.
And on language like "Genocidesmany" and "Pissrahell" it's important to kill all those little voices that got trained to uphold nations as sanctimonous. Of worthy of respect, or whatever else. Kill the bourgeois propaganda inside you, drown it until no bubbles appear. People talk about revolutions but then suddenly panic when people are being too rude to the imperialists and their propagandists. We're not gonna globalize the intifada in a civil way. The bourgeoisie won't let us.
There's no point in trying to get through to them, they are a Zionist through and through. The best thing to do is educate others on that so they won't feel morally or authoritatively compelled to obey the shit Zionist Fedditors tell them to do. For example, if Feddit says they are antisemitic or an antisemite for being against the genocide of palestinians, instead of complying and apologizing the best thing is to say that Feddit is full of shit and are also Zionist apologists.
I am against the genocide of Palestinians and recognize that it must be stopped. The difference is just that I am not revanchist and don't glorify the murder of civilians regardless if they are Palestinian or Israeli.
No one does, this is a made up boogeyman.
I have had to ban plenty of people who celebrated the Oct 7 massacres and then people then call me Zionist all the time because I wont let them glorify murder. It doesn't matter who does the murdering whether Hamas or IDF, it is still wrong.
Got it, so you're a lib who values civility but doesn't value speaking out against actual Zionism and Israel's occupation of Palestine, because your Zionist sympathizing government says it's wrong.
@mathemachristian@lemmy.ml Don't respond to this person anymore. When a person says they aren't a Zionist because they don't support genocide in Palestine but they suppress other acts of anti-Zionism and they support Israel existing and occupying Land that didn't belong to them, that's both a strawman argument, and a false dilemma, because it is absolutely Zionist apologia to uphold those values. Liberal Zionism where people say murder and genocide is wrong while still supporting occupation is still Zionism. No ifs, ands, or buts.
I agree, but I want to make sure that this side is heard whenever germans use these civility arguments to uphold the vegeterians peace. Violence out of sight is out of mind and people shouldn't disturb the peace by pointing it out. I have to live in this cursed country I am deeply familiar with the rhetoric.
FCK HMS stickers everywhere, but not FCK IOF etc. Because while protesting genocide you must observ decorum and cannot call the genociding "country" or the countries helping them mean names like pissrael or genocidesmany.
I am going to be honest here, without looking into it I am 90% sure these will be misunderstandings or zionists sockpuppets. I would think it impossible that someone coherently antizionist on feddit is going to be "rah rah mow them all down". That's not even true about hamas.
So since it is inconvenient for your side, you are going to deny that these people are genuine?
Also like I said to DraconicNEO, we should disengage because we've gone pretty off topic. You can make a dedicated thread elsewhere to discuss meta.
No, like I said, I believe so because it is silly to think that there are germans more vicious towards iSSraelis than the al qassem brigades.
A lot of these massacres, particularly the one at the nova music festival are falsely attributed to the al qassem brigades or made up. We know from hostage testimony how members of the resistance (hamas or otherwise) actually treated them. Hamas was extremely concious of PR and had a whole media campaign running in parallel to the operation.
I mean it's impossible to prove intent of a poster, so it's always guesswork, but I'm gonna doubt there is a fedditor with a history of varied interests suddenly posting about the murder of every man, woman and child in the illegaly occupied areas.
Also if you weren't follow them around and they are such an issue, why haven't you blocked them?
Why should I? I wanted to push them on this further, I wanted them to commit to an argument so we could actually have something to talk about instead of them just throwing out claims and requiring paragraphs of response instead. I also wanted other vegans who see it to be aware of their tactic so they don't reply to them.
A better warning method would have been making a post about their tactics on a Vegan comm, they're prolific enough for it to be warranted, but I guess why that would be a bad idea? Because then it would actually be "sicking people on them" which is why I didn't do it. Because I actually don't believe in dogpiling individuals.
If you believe you can have a discussion with them, then why do you call them an avid troll? Usually you cant have productive discussions with trolls.
Again, I wanted other vegans who see it to be aware of their tactic so they don’t reply to them.