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The problem with that logic is that you're assuming you'll just find another job. What if you lived in a city that was super crazy liberal, and no one was hiring you because you were straight. Unfortunately you still need a job to get by, and you can't afford to move if you don't have a job.
But hey, about mistreating you? There's laws about that, too, all part of the package deal that comes with not hiring you based on race. With strict enough penalties companies would rather their employees not be bigots because they don't want to go to court.
A side effect of all this is that bigotry dies in people's hearts when they are exposed to the people they are bigoted against. If there was someone who hated Americans, but then got to actually meet and talk to one and work with one, they would realize Americans aren't all bad and can be pretty nice and chill. So making sure people don't hire based on race helps eliminate racism and keeps things fair for everyone, which helps business innovate by giving people a chance.
Oh, is that so? Well, at least you seem to understand that bigotry can cut both ways. That's more than most people here seem to be willing to acknowledge.
That said, if I was faced with that sort of situation, I would to whatever I can to find a way to move somewhere else where I'm welcome.
You can mistreat people in subtle ways that are difficult to sue over or prove in court. Like, giving people bad hours, or passing them over for promotions.
Yes, I do believe this CAN work, but it generally requires at least a shred of willingness to participate. You cannot simply force someone into accepting someone they don't like. That sounds sounds a hell of a lot like raping your way into a relationship, don't you think?
I don't think, because I don't think getting people to accept other people is anything like rape.
So you say that you get that bigotry can cut both ways, basically people can be bigoted towards anyone, and can happen pretty much anywhere. So one of the only things we can do is make it so bigots can't use their power to hurt people they hate, regardless of who they hate. That's why we have laws against things like, hitting each other and murder. We also have other laws to keep people from discriminating when doing business and hiring people. I think that those are laws that you are in favor of, because you don't want people to discriminate against you.
I'm definitely in favor of laws against rape, assault, theft, and murder, but I think bigotry and discrimination are simply too vague a charge to be properly defined or enforced, and will always defeat themselves in the long run anyways.
Say someone is running an Indian restaurant, should they be forced to hire white people? Would you trust that you're getting authentic Indian food if either the chef, or even the serving staff was predominantly Chinese? Would you go to a Chinese restaurant run by Mexicans an expect authentic Chinese cuisine, or a Mexican restaurant run by white people, and expect proper, authentic cuisine?
All of these examples sound extremely racist on the surface, but let's be honest, chances are extremely high that someone of the same ethnicity is vastly more qualified to work there than someone who's not, because they simply understand the culture and the flavors better. And of course there are always counterexamples, but those are the exception rather than the norm.
Meritocracy simply means having to earn your laurels by putting in effort and proving yourself. You don't need to legislate that because cream rises to the top all by itself. It doesn't rise any faster because there are laws requiring it to do so, just like the sun doesn't rise any faster if you make a law requiring it to do so.
If you think the cream rises to the top by itself, despite any obstacles, then you would also think that it would be impossible for someone to get a job based on being a minority. If cream naturally rises to the top regardless, like a force of nature, then making people not hire folks based on race would be a non-issue.
So why get mad about it?
So you're saying hiring based on race instead of qualification isn't a problem?
Yeah, I'm saying it is.
What I'm also saying is that the government and mainstream media have lied to you about people trying to fix it.
All that affirmative action, DEI stuff? If you actually look at it, and look how it's been used and the effects it's had, it's not been what they say it is.
It's not letting some unqualified person get a job, it's making sure the qualified person gets the job without the old bigotry getting in the way of a college application or a new job, for any race, even white people.
But there's people who do everything they can to talk shit about the law, because they benefit from talking shit about it and people benefit from being able to discriminate.
They get the clicks, the views, and the donations just by saying "oooo that DEI is bad, gonna put a black lesbian in charge of a surgery" because there's people who are racist assholes who love to hate stuff like that and could never imagine a black lesbian actually being a qualified surgeon, and then there's not racist people who just want everyone to get a fair chance at competition and think that it's getting in the way of that.
And then some Democrats lump the two together, pushing the more reasonable people in with the bigots, to the point that if anyone has any concerns with affirmative action gets yelled at.
You're free to believe that, but that's not what actually happens IRL. How it really works is that someone will look at the race and gender makeup of the team and if there aren't enough women or POC, they'll focus hiring a black lesbian, or a transgender Asian, or whatever else they can find, even if their qualifications don't quite hit the mark.
The point of DEI is to increase "diversity, equity, and inclusion", it's literally right there in the name. Do you see competence, excellence, or qualification in there anywhere? Me neither. And that's because that isn't what DEI is about.
Sorry man, you've been lied to. Those are the things bigots say to make white people scared and it's just not a thing that happens. Even if it did, you believe cream naturally rises and it's inevitable for it to do so, so why worry about it?
I don't think you have a problem with diversity, equity and inclusion, because you just described a problem DEI policies solve. If someone is passing over someone else because they aren't a minority, that's not DEI. DEI is for people who are in a majority, too, it's just bringing more voices to the table. So yeah, competence, excellence and qualifications aren't part of that acronym, because that's assumed and baked into the cake.
So you care about people being qualified for their job. What do you think people should do about things like, hiring unqualified white people over qualified black people, for example?
I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. You get more of what you measure, so if you measure diversity, you get more diversity. Any increase in quality will at best be accidental. In fact, it might very well get worse due cultural differences creating additional friction.
Simply hire the best qualified candidate, regardless of skin color. No DEI needed.
My friend, I think you have a disconnect with how you think the world should work, and how it actually operates. People are flawed, and sometimes people will hire folks that aren't the best candidate, because of stupid things like skin color. You even said this happens yourself a while ago.
In a perfect and sensible world, we wouldn't need DEI, but we don't live there.
So we have rules to try to fix that. Make everyone's starting line a little more equal so the cream rises without being hindered.