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The hell is wrong with this country. Shoplifting is not violent crime. If they flee put out an arrest warrant and they'll turn up later, in a lot more trouble.
Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape. It's totally unnecessary pointless murder.
It's an execution. Someone accused of a crime doesn't get a trial or a chance to defend themselves. Someone with a gun makes a decision to end their life on the spot.
Not to mention, standing in front of a car driven by a POC who has every reason to expect the cops to shoot them anyway. That person is already frightened and likely panicked and not thinking clearly. Putting yourself in front of a car with a panicked driver who is justifiably in fear for their life is incredibly stupid.
Also, what is with cops just repeating the same command over and over again and refusing to otherwise interact with the person. Are they trying to make the situation worse? Why not try and de-escalate the situation. Oh, that's right, they want a reason to shoot people.
Yes, because it lets them use lethal force like the jack booted thugs they want to be.
it's the fucked up warrior mindset culture at work, domination is all they are taught
This "technique" has been demonstrated enough that frankly, I think that any rational person would conclude that in any situation where a cop walks in front of your car, you're better off just gunning it before the cop has a chance to extrajudicially execute you first. If they walk in front of your car, it's clear they're just itching to murder you. The threat has been made, you should fear for your life. It's you or them.
That's not unreasonable. Maybe under Montana common law argument would work.
Who upvotes this crap? This is worse than reddit.
Debate it.
Running from police in a high crime area used to be considered probable cause.
That's changing now because running from police in a high crime area is an eminently reasonable thing to do even if you're innocent.
If the tactic is demonstrably employed as a pretextual justification to kill nonviolent criminal suspects, than it's reasonable to say that statutory law of resisting arrest should be the thing that breaks, not the natural law of self defense.
You want me to debate against someone saying you should floor it any time police walk in front of your car??
I can't think of any other reason for a cop to place himself in front of a car. It's dangerous and it's not going to stop a car. It really only can be to provide an excuse for deadly force.
So every time a cop steps in front of someone's car they're planning on executing them...
Nah. If a pig wants to kill me, I’m doing my damndest to make sure it comes with me
If you floor it and run into a cop just because they walk in front of your car, you deserve to get shot because the cop would be defending themselves.
If dude’s aiming a gun at my face cause of some groceries?? He deserves what he gets.
Maybe try de-escalating instead of over-escalating. In NO situation should a suspected shoplifting end in a murder.
If she tried to run, guess what? They can literally just track her down and move to arrest when lives aren’t in danger.
He unnecessarily and intentionally put himself in harm’s way, in an intense situation with a terrified suspect. He knew what he was doing.
Fuck off with your tyrant apologia bullshit.
You're a violent moron.
Holy fucking irony.
Where have I advocated violence or said something moronic?
“ you deserve to get shot”
Are those not your words?
Now you shouldn't be using his own words against him. That just makes him look like an idiot.
If someone tries to run someone over on order to get away with stealing, they deserve to get shot. I'm not advocating violence.
It isn't to get away with shoplifting. It's to avoid being executed without even a trial over shoplifting. They're going to try to kill you no matter what you do in that scenario; might as well try to get out with your life.
Let me put in a scenario you might understand. Mobsters are regularly jumping in front of cars, shooting the person driving, and then stealing the car. A mobster jumps in front of your car and points a gun at your head. What do you do?
Supporting cops
Oh, oof, owwie
Why do you all care so much if you're upvoted or not?
Yeah it didn’t take long, every thread is filled with this bullshit
That's what happens when your cops aren't trained in de-escalation.
Also keep in mind, businesses usually have insurance against theft.