Is Ubuntu Treating Its Users as If They Can’t Be Trusted? (linuxiac.com)

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Ubuntu has taken another step that, honestly, leaves me scratching my head. While most distributions try to offer as many convenient GUI tools as possible to help users manage every part of their system, Ubuntu… apparently sees things a bit differently.

I say this because Ubuntu 26.04 LTS (scheduled for release on April, 23) will no longer ship the long-standing “Software & Updates” graphical tool by default on fresh desktop installs, following a change proposed in Launchpad as bug 2140527.

The adjustment replaces the software-properties-gtk package in the desktop seed with software-properties-common, effectively removing the visible GUI while keeping the underlying repository management tools in place.

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[-] WiseFirefighter7299@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago

this is why you should Debian

[-] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I usually use [K]ubuntu because I always try to install Debian first, but it ships with kernels so outdated that it rarely "just works" on the not-particularly-weird hardware I throw at it. That's understandable when it's missing drivers for my AMD 9070 XT GPU on launch day, but not so much when it's missing drivers for the Intel AX101 wifi chipset that got released 3.5 years before. (I've also experienced weird installation failures with Debian related to the partitioning and/or bootloader, but I don't remember the details of those right now. Point is, Ubuntu is -- unfortunately -- more reliable to install without tweaking or troubleshooting, in my experience.)

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Hmm.
When is the last time you tried Debian, and what version was it?
If I'm recommending it to people, I'd like to be able to warn them about potential hurdles.

[-] poinck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Then Fedora may be an option for you. They have a KDE spin.

Besides that, Debian is my default distro nowadays; everything just works for me.

I was using Gentoo previously for many years, because I didn't require out-of-the-box back then.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I'm too lazy and set in my ways to switch away from apt.

(I also used Gentoo, many years ago when I could actually be bothered.)

[-] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I am an apt boi as well, but I recently switched to Fedora KDE spin. God has it been a breath of fresh air to have decently updated packages WITH stability on my desktop and laptop.

I'm still Debian all the way for server and "LTS" computers, like my HTPC, but Fedora is killing it overall.

[-] benignintervention@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago

By sheer coincidence, I just made an install image yesterday and will be switching soon

[-] WiseFirefighter7299@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

nice, Debian is more stable and you will have an easy switch, use the graphical install.

[-] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 4 points 1 day ago

This is what really pisses me off about the Linux community. Everyone says the same thing about every distro, except Arch. That shits apparently for hardcore CLI only programmers or something.

Mint's whole paradigm is an OS that emphasizes stability and usability and you claim Debian is more stable even though it's the cutting edge base of an entire distro tree while Mint is 2 years behind it's Ubuntu base to ensure functionality? Make it make sense.

[-] lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You're a little confused about how this stuff works. Debian is not cutting-edge.

E: btw "not cutting-edge" is neither inherently positive, nor inherently negative

[-] Overspark@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago

Well Mint is based on Ubuntu (unless you get the Debian Edition) and Ubuntu is based on Debian sooo...

Basically the majority of Linux distros are based on either Debian, Fedora or Arch. IMHO it's usually best to go with one of the originals, not the derivatives. Although I will admit Ubuntu has made Debian a lot better over the years, but that's only because they took the bits from Ubuntu that actually made sense and ignored the rest.