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All of this... it could have been stopped. We don't have to love (or even like) the Democrats, but it was such an important election, and everybody was screaming to vote against fascism. Well, a lot of people couldn't be bothered, and it's here now. Hope our country survives this administration...
It's in part because Biden ran on opposing fascism, got elected, and then did nothing to oppose fascism. He sold himself as a dragonslayer, but once he got in, he didn't want to upset the pro-dragon crowd.
So, yeah, when his protege ran the exact same campaign, it didn't instill a lot of confidence.
He slow walked us to this, Trump should have been jailed, convicted, and in the dirt by now. But no, the neo-liberals didn't want to upset the MAGAts or something. His speech about needing both Democrats and Republicans made me SICK.
I can't help but feel like it's also in part because a good amount of folks are just... as delicately as I can put it... the kind of people that pick up a fork to eat a bowl of soup.
The rationale I have heard from tons and tons of voters just makes absolutely no god damn sense at all. There's of course mass manipulation and all that but goodness gracious, the complete lack of critical thinking skills is astounding.
I feel this. My in-laws voted for Trump because Biden was going to outlaw Catholicism in the United States. Absolute lunatics.
Jesus fucking Christ, the man is himself a practicing Catholic!
Propaganda works.
Yeah, like I went down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole because of all the fuckery around 9/11 but then left the Alex Jones part of it when it became clear he didn't really gaf about changing anything, which meant he either didn't believe it or was working with them instead of against them (leaning more towards him just making shit up, though I did still believe that things weren't what they seemed with how society was run). The nail in the coffin for me was a very high production value video explaining what was going on that ended with a "but I have an answer, wait for the next video to find out!" And I'm thinking "wait, cliffhangers are engagement bait, not something you should say after talking about how the elites want to reduce the world population to like 100 million. He's just in it for the money, also how the fuck is he producing such high production quality videos?"
It wasn't aligned with either US politics "side" and subscribed to the "it's all an act, they are all buddy buddy behind closed doors" point of view, but I came out of it around the end of the Bush era, was happy to see Obama win but disappointed in how his actual presidency went (he seemed to have the resolve of a wet noodle when it came to actually fighting for the right things.
It was baffling as fuck when the conspiracy theory crowd was aligned behind fucking Donald Trump, of all people. Seemed like the poster boy for the elites rather than a saviour. I didn't watch a ton of the apprentice but none that I did see gave me any kind of positive impression of him. He just seemed like the asshole type of boss.
Pizzagate was also stupid as fuck (why the fuck would a pedophile ring for rich people operate out of the basement of a public building?). And gamergate was one of the lamest whiny things I've seen (though not sure how much of that came from the conspiracy side, it might have been going after a different audience).
Like I get how it feels going down that rabbit hole, things that were confusing can make more sense and there's truth at the core of it, but you need to continue using critical thought or you just end up becoming someone's tool. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend!
That is a really stupid reason to let a fascist win though. Like, why should I respect or align myself with such a stupid group of people?
Which is exactly the question they were asking. You want someone to blame, it's the DNC.
You don't have to align with someone you vote for in a FPTP system.
And no, your suggestion is based on a false dichotomy. I blame the DNC AND the non-voters. I can despise both and do.
So you have no care of causal relationships whatsoever so long as you get to spew your hate at everyone.
It’s important for perspective that we remember how thin the line is between winning and losing. A very minor shift in voter turnout is all it takes to flip the game. The good news for us in this is that we don’t need to take the last election as a sign that the entire world is lost - we have every opportunity to change things. You could say it shouldn’t be this close, and you wouldn’t be wrong, but that’s also a pretty pointless whinge. Nothing worth having has ever been won without a fight, so we shouldn’t gripe about having to face one ourselves.
Thing is, the reality is even more depressing.
We had some of the highest voter turnout in US history in the last several federal elections. The problem was not turnout as much as tune out.
The exit polling made it very clear what our problem in the US is, and that's the same tactics that destabilized Crimea and many other places that have fallen to authoritarianism, and that's social sabotage of our issues. People paid or incentivized to amplify and radicalize the messaging on both sides of every debate and social issue, so that it turns every conversation into a screaming match about utter nonsense disconnected from reality, and the average voter tunes out and defaults to whatever memes are popping up on their twitter or the liberal network news on TV.
I am saying that the polling showed people who voted for Obama and supported Bernie Sanders voted for Trump. People who said they wished AOC would run, voted for Trump. Black and Hispanic voters voted for Trump. Not in one-offs or flukes, but by a large margin. The rest didn't even know what the candidates represented, they say they just associated Biden/Harris with the cost of eggs at the time, and only Trump seemed to be screaming for any change, so they shrugged and voted for him because they had no idea what else to do.
If this sounds absurd, good that means you still have a functional brain, but this needs to be understood if we are to make changes. The situation out there is much, much worse than we know.
All ya'll reflexively downvoting this because it makes you more uncomfortable than just "They cheated!" that's the feeling you need to face and chew on, and direct that frustration towards the old liches who are running our world like circus ringmasters. Dumb fucking circus-ringmasters, people who have all the money and think they earned it and think they deserve more.
And those people are still insisting that we don’t blame them for the consequences of their decisions.
Of course, and I don't fault them the impulse. No one likes being told they fucked up, which was why many of us were so vocal before the election. I don't even want to assign blame, instead to just help them to understand that (if our democracy can withstand this), we genuinely need them...
I just think that the blame should be squarely on the people who actively voted for the fascism.
There were more non-voters than there were voters for Orangina
I'm going to keep holding them accountable too!
Not lifting a finger against fascism is actively voting for fascism. Yes, the choices were all bad, but one was obviously much, much worse and they made a choice. Nobody gets a pass for gross negligence simply because irresponsible decisions were lower-effort than others.
Why does America deserve to survive, as a nation built on stolen land and slavery and maintained through imperialism and colonialism?