Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's "Zionist Bar Problem" (lemmy.zip)

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Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[-] Pamasich@kbin.earth -1 points 1 week ago

What I think they meant was that people here only think about the genocide and thus declare the perpetrators evil (which they are) and the victims the good guys (hamas are not).

One side's atrocities don't justify the other side's. Excusing your own group's actions because they're the good guys is far right thinking.

In reality there's more factors to this than just the genocide, and both hamas and israel are the bad guys in their own way. One is just worse than the other, but that doesn't make the other good.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

declare the perpetrators evil (which they are)

Correct.

and the victims the good guys (hamas are not)

You're wrong, Hamas are in fact "the good guys" in this conflict. The resistance to the genocidal settler state are good even if they don't measure up to whatever arbitrary standard of perfection you have in mind.

One side’s atrocities don’t justify the other side’s. Excusing your own group’s actions because they’re the good guys is far right thinking.

Bullshit framing designed to try to equate between the invading settler state (with overwhelming firepower) and the (often barely adult) native resistance just trying to survive and protect their homes.

In reality there’s more factors to this than just the genocide, and both hamas and israel are the bad guys in their own way. One is just worse than the other, but that doesn’t make the other good.

"Hemming and hawing over genocide is disgusting."

@seeking_perhaps@mander.xyz

[-] Pamasich@kbin.earth 0 points 1 week ago

You're wrong, Hamas are in fact "the good guys" in this conflict.

Let's agree to disagree there then. I wasn't planning to convince you after all.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

We can agree that you oppose resistance to Genocide

[-] Pamasich@kbin.earth 0 points 1 week ago

I don't agree on that claim, no.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 0 points 1 week ago

No, you just want to dictate from your comfortable desk how the resistance to an 80-year-long occupation and genocide should look like.

[-] Pamasich@kbin.earth 0 points 1 week ago

That's not what I said that in response to. This doesn't mean I oppose resistance to genocide, this means I have expectations towards resistance groups. Not the same position. Opposing the form doesn't mean I oppose the concept.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 0 points 1 week ago

Exactly my point, you think you have any moral right to decide in what form and shape the local resistance against Zionism has to take shape, and otherwise it doesnt get your support.

There are material reasons why Hamas is structured the way it is, and you may not like them or share all their goals, but their primary goal is the liberation of Palestine from Zionism and you should support them in that

[-] Pamasich@kbin.earth 0 points 1 week ago

If that's your point, you replied to the wrong comment of mine earlier.

When I said "I don't agree on that claim, no." I was specifically referring to the claim that I oppose resistance to genocide, period. When in reality I'm opposing the form that resistance is taking, not resistance itself. That's why I said I don't agree with the claim made.

You don't seem to argue with that fact, you're just arguing about my actual position. Which isn't what I was denying.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 0 points 1 week ago

So, you do support Hamas?

[-] Pamasich@kbin.earth 1 points 1 week ago

You're really not arguing in good faith, are you? Not supporting hamas doesn't mean I'm not in favor of resistance against genocide.

But just to clear this up once more:

I am against genocide
I support resistance against genocide
I still hold resistance groups to certain minimal standards
Hamas does not fulfill my standards

So no, I do not support Hamas. But yes, I do support Palestinian resistance in theory.

[-] agentant@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Hamas does not fulfill my standards

Wow, we have a contender for most The Most Western Sentence of all time

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

They really managed to do worse than their earlier "This doesn’t mean I oppose resistance to genocide, this means I have expectations towards resistance groups."

[-] baitu@jlai.lu -1 points 1 week ago

You’re wrong, Hamas are in fact “the good guys” in this conflict.

The world will be better when humans will be able to escape this manichean thinking.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

"Hemming and hawing over genocide is disgusting."

@seeking_perhaps@mander.xyz

[-] baitu@jlai.lu -1 points 1 week ago

Copy pasting this shit doesn't make you look smarter

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

I apologize, you're not hemming and hawing over genocide. You're supporting it to "look smarter".

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Resistance to genocide is the correct position to take.

[-] baitu@jlai.lu -1 points 1 week ago

100% agree and that's not what Hamas is trying to do or I miss the part where they protect the palestinians in their actions

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Hamas is the main force of the Palestinian resistance, a coalition force actively fighting against genocide.

[-] vga@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You’re wrong, Hamas are in fact “the good guys” in this conflict.

Wow. Well, thanks for openly admitting that one.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

No problem. I don't feel the need to hide my opinions.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago

What do you want, .ml tankies are what .ml tankies are.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

Please continue to call us "tankies" for saying things like "resistance to genocide is good". I'm not joking, you're doing free propaganda for us "tankies".