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[-] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 days ago

Your explanation seems to directly contradict @cynar@lemmy.world 's description of someone they know who has the diagnosis. Do you have anything to back up your interpretation?

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Uh. Read the dsm. It specifically mentions these things. Those behaviors are called "antisocial".

Lay people think that means introverted but it doesn't.

It means behaviors against others that are considered harmful.

As for the other person comment. It's very likely the person with the disorder is self diagnosed and they misunderstood the condition. And are now going around and claiming they can't do anything anyone asks because they have a disorder. That sounds made up.

It is not some weird reverse psychology inhibition.

There is no such disorder.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/oppositional-defiant-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20375831

[-] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 days ago

Those behaviors were only included in the DSM-5 and you can still get enough symptoms to qualify without expressing them, and they also overlap with a "fight" trauma response.

And more importantly, the DSM-5 only describes the behaviors of children, not the inner life, coping mechanisms, or explanations of adults.

I have seen how autistic women were treated, how their lived experiences were dismissed for years because their behavior didn't match that of WEIRD autistic boys under patriarchy. I have seen how trans people were treated, how their lived experiences and scientific research backing them up were dismissed for years because psychiatrists are predominantly WEIRD conservatives. Your argument fits in that same pattern of structural dismissal.

I'm sorry, but your field is rotten. The structures by which you work and the ways you've been taught to think cause harm, prioritizing categorization and paternalism over reality. Every good psychologist I've worked with treats diagnoses as an arbitrary hoop to jump through, and every bad one has prioritised the protocols and standards over my lived experience. People do good in spite of the DSM, not because of it.

If we manage to stop these disparate forms of hierarchical exploitation from boiling us all to death, the decolonisation of mental wellbeing will continue. You can either continue to be on the side of the colonizer, ordering people how to think about themselves even as we dismantle your authority, or you can turn your criticism constructive. Help build structures that reclaim the good from that outdated field and cooperating with people to self-identify more accurately and more quickly.

You can't stop us from producing our own medicine. You can't stop us from calling ourselves what we want. You can't stop us from bootlegging techniques that help us and adjusting them to our needs. Unless you side with the hierarchical systems that are burning this world alive, then you might have a chance before you burn too.

[-] daannii@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

You say the dsm is garbage and then use diagnosis in it to validate personal subjective feelings you have and diagnose yourself.

There is a lack of self awareness here that you may not be aware of.

[-] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 days ago

Now you're just making assumptions, mate. I've never self-diagnosed. Neither transgender nor neurodiverse are diagnoses, only gender dysphoria and a couple of buckets trying to categorize neurodiversity. I neither know nor care if I "have ADHD", i just know the meds calm me down despite me not having a diagnosis.

As per my previous comment, psychiatry does contain useful information that can be reclaimed. People identifying with diagnoses except for a personal twist (big O OCD, freezing ODD, euphoria transgender, etc.) is a natural step on the way towards a more true boundary-less understanding of psychology.

Imagine you've got a multidimensional non-Euclidean manifold and you want to be able to quickly specify any point on the manifold. It's non-Euclidean, so parameterization doesn't easily work. There might be a higher-dimensional Euclidean embedding/mapping but we don't know it yet. So what do you do in the mean time?

The easiest way we've found is to have a set of markers, so that every point in the manifold can be uniquely identified by interpolating or extrapolating from those markers. The DSM diagnoses aren't optimal, but they are useful as a set of markers that people are familiar with and can interact with the medical system through.

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