In none of this exchange did you demonstrate a fraction of the knowledge as the person you're berating. You just genuinely don't seem to know anything except how to sound confident in an online argument. So I'm sorry but listening to you lament all the wayward academics and telling people to grow the fuck up just doesn't land. I think you're just full of shit.

I’m not gonna engage with you about Trotsky but holy fucking shit you’re the mythical “state capitalist” sayer who actually is a self aware cliffite.

It’s a pleasure to meet you!

E:

Trotsky was Lenin's pick

I see what you did there!

What kind of revolutionary left do you want? Regardless, wanting to hard-reboot an existing radical movement over its perceived "failure" - while it's still gaining traction - is what Trotsky did, and it just threw a wrench into things.

And not to be that guy, but the negativity isn't doing you favors. I made an effort to be reasonable and objective (except the Modern Trotskyites bit, since they honestly feel too sus and self-destructive to take seriously). If you're feeling threatened by that, idk what to tell you. This is just what we believe. No one pays us for it.

I'm just so fed up with folks online regarding, what i would call state capitalist countries as genuine socialism,

Read up on your Trotsky fool

I think there are more Ultras than Trots these days, this is like seeing a unicorn.