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China is the proof in the pudding
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this post was submitted on 11 Mar 2026
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As usual I'd love for the down voters to comment instead of being cowards.
I'll bite.
China is not communist. But we should talk about different economic systems because that's the ultimate goal.
Communism in itself is a true ideal as long as output exceeds intake and satisfaction is high. It's also possible on a global scale, if not designed for it.
Capitalism is also a true ideal as long as it's built on an immovable foundation of human rights paid for by centralized non profit corporations.
The issue has nothing to do with the ideas themselves. The issue is and always has been the concentration of power.
It is the ideas of the few which can never properly represent the masses. Even with the best intentions. The only true ideal for power is that there is none except when handled by all. The US Constitution seemed to have this idea in mind with its intent, though it's evolved into the same old concentration of power over time. Doesn't matter which party either. The reality is power is so concentrated now that there are no true parties anymore. This is a mafia that transcends both sides.
So no China is no proof of anything except improper concentration of power. Mostly capitalist by the way. And totally tyrannical in their wielding of power against free thought, sex, religion, etc. It's practically anti freedom and contradicts every protected class we have in the US.
Does anyone have the statistics on how many abortion occur there? Even if you're pro choice, the piles of discarded fetuses could reach skyscraper height. This is not a normal issue to have. How many illiterate? How many old people died while they were bolted inside their homes during COVID?
If the question is what system would you be willing to put your life in the hands of, there is only one answer: which one has the most distributed power and wealth above the rest.
If your opinion is that power is concentrated in the hands of the few in both the USA and China, how do you explain the difference between how bad it's going for America rn vs. how good it's going for China rn? Sure, both have their problems, no country is perfect, but it really looks like the USA is completely falling apart while China is having technological breakthrough after technological breakthrough.
Thanks for your response btw, the original commenter is right that people who downvote and leave don't contribute anything to the conversation, unlike you.
I think we have different definitions of how good things are going.
In my mind the scientific breakthrough phenomena is an interesting one. The US just defunded their universities and research programs across the board. So they are truly not even competing in that space at the moment.
Right now the world is desperately racing to AI dominance because the innovations in warfare are so tragic, they are left with no other option. The US leads in this space which implies that all innovation will soon be greatly enhanced with these tools.
To me, 99% of people on the planet are interested in a handful of common ideas: health, family, housing, entertainment, and a good job (I've not heard a better definition for this than: challenging, make an impact, fairly compensated).
I honestly don't care much about comparing the US and China in these regards since neither match the systems I mentioned before which are capitalism with a foundation of human rights paid for centralized non profit organizations or communism with high satisfaction and reduced concentration of government power.
If 99% of people are aligned on these topics, the reality is all war, conflict, government powers, regional economic competition are unnecessary. The government should be for the entire planet and simply administrative. That is the true ideal. Everyone gets to vote on their administrative tasks based on performance and efficiency markers every year.
No need for presidents, militaries, etc.
Usa doesn't lead in AI. China leads in AI.
Provide sources for your claim and you just may change my mind. However, even if it is a current lead, I wonder if it would last any relevant length of time. For one, their chips are not as quality. Second, as far as I can tell the US is entering a war with military contracts being signed with AI companies. This unprecedented coupling of AI and warfare isn't being matched by anyone on earth.
huggingface.co/models
Read it and weep. China is completely dominating.
Regarding the future, what use are those chips if you don't build more electric grid? China builds tons of solar panels, and usa builds nothing. China is already developing better chips, and has cut off your rare earths supply, so you can't develop better chips.
I don't understand your link. It just lists open source AI models which are.. free? And about creating entertainment?
I'm not sure if that plays into the AI warfare dominance the US is building and is not open source.
I know China dominates energy sustainability. Will they go nuclear to stay ahead of the US? I think that's the US response is basically entire nuclear plants dedicated to specific companies like Microsoft and Google.
Do you have sources for "the US has no rare earths supplies and can't make better chips?"
I'm happy to be taught honestly. My ego is not about winning an argument here.
My initial argument is still that: both systems suck and the people of earth deserve better!