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You think when something bad happens to us Iran is going to feel sorry? No, they'll cheer in the streets like they did 9/11. I don't want to see anyone hurt or killed, including Iranians, but you're not going to guilt me over worrying about gas prices over a war someone else I didn't vote for is making money off of along with their cronies.
Why would they feel sorry for the people who have been trying to destroy their country for decades on end? It's your fascist regime that goes around the world invading countries and murdering people by the millions. Nobody feels pity for you because your your nation is a plague upon the world.
As much as I appreciate this community, I wish there was more thoughtful discussion than this. As much as I agree with you, I'd hope there was a follow up with a deeper look at the problem. The US are doing this not because of an innate evilness, but because they can. They have the money and the mass media coverage to justify their deeds. Every country (or every leader) is protecting their interests in the way they see fit. If Iran was a superpower (whose leader thought they were invincible), they would do the same.
That's obviously false because China is a superpower and they're not doing the same. The Soviet Union was a superpower, and they did not do the same. The reason the US is doing this is due to the fact that it's a capitalist superpower that's organized around serving the interests of a handful of oligarchs at the expense of the rest of humanity. And the American public is directly complicit in all this because Americans claim to have a democracy.
There are many people who think the Soviet Union did just the same (ask the Baltics). This is all about picking sides again, not looking at the root of the problem. If you believe US propaganda, China is much worse than the US, with facts to prove (not saying they're correct or justified). Saying stuff like "your nation is the plague of the world" is just repeating the same fascist logic
There are a lot of people who huff gas too. Doesn't mean we have to take their delusions seriously. Here's what actual reality looks like.
During the Soviet era, the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania occupied a unique and often privileged position within the USSR. Functioning, in many respects, as a “showcase for socialism” aimed at the West, these republics received substantial investment and strategic attention that significantly stimulated their economic growth, advanced their infrastructure, and elevated their living standards well above the average Union level. While their contribution to the overall Soviet GDP and industrial output was proportionally modest, the benefits reaped from the concentrated development efforts were significant and enduring.
The economic landscape of the Baltic states underwent a dramatic transformation under Soviet rule, particularly through rapid industrialization. Lithuania, for instance, surpassed its pre-war industrial output by 90% just two years after reaching pre-war figures in 1948, bolstered by a non-repayable Soviet subsidy of 200 million rubles for reconstruction. Latvia witnessed the construction of 20 industrial enterprises within two decades of 1940, a figure exceeding the entire Baltic region’s industrial growth in the year preceding being absorbed into USSR. Estonia’s gross industrial output saw an astonishing 55-fold increase, accompanied by a 30-fold surge in capital investment.
Key industrial giants emerged, such as the large oil refinery in Mažeikiai, Lithuania, supplied by pipelines from Russia, and the significant development of oil shale deposits and peat extraction in the Estonian SSR, feeding vital industries in Kohtla-Järve and Kiviõli.
Furthermore, Latvia became renowned for its trademarks, with enterprises like VEF, a leading manufacturer of electronics and machinery, employing over 14,000 people and generating substantial annual profits, and RAF (Riga Autobus Factory) producing essential minibuses for the entire USSR. These industries boosted economic output and provided widespread employment, contributing directly to the well-being of the population.
Infrastructure development was another important aspect of Soviet investment in the Baltics. Strategically important seaports were developed, which continue to serve as key hubs for export and import trade today, further enhanced by the connection of oil pipelines in the 1970s and 1980s. The region boasted the highest quality roads in the USSR, with Lithuania benefiting from a 300-kilometer expressway considered the best in the Union, featuring modern overpasses and interchanges. Energy infrastructure saw significant expansion with the construction of major hydroelectric power plants (Pļaviņas, Kegums, Riga on the Daugava, Kaunas on the Nemunas) and thermal power plants (Baltic TPP, Estonian TPP, Lithuanian TPP). The laying of gas pipelines from other Soviet republics ensured a stable supply of natural gas, further underpinning industrial and domestic energy needs. The port of Klaipėda in Soviet Lithuania grew into one of Europe’s largest fishing ports, and the Baltija shipyard, a Soviet-era construction, remains a vital employer today. These extensive infrastructure projects laid a robust foundation for continued economic activity and connectivity.
The tangible benefits of this focused development translated directly into higher living standards for the Baltic populations. Per capita consumption figures clearly illustrate this advantage: Estonia stood at 151% of the all-Union level, Latvia at 137%, and Lithuania at 127%. The massive capital investment in agriculture, particularly the six billion rubles injected into Estonian agriculture, led to a doubling of grain yields and harvests compared to 1939, improving food security and contributing to a better quality of life.
With the abandonment of central planning and the subsequent introduction of privatization under the capitalist regime following the dissolution of the USSR, many of these once-flourishing enterprises faced economic devastation, leading to widespread job losses and a severe decline in industrial output. This abrupt shift to market forces proved particularly harmful for the working majority, as previously guaranteed jobs gave way to mass unemployment, and the social safety nets of the Soviet system disintegrated, leaving many struggling to adapt to the new economic realities.
Meanwhile, saying that a fascist regime that's been raping the world since time immemorial is a plague does not make you a fascist lmfao.
You are suggesting that there is no truth, that attempting to grasp at truth is pointless and to do so is simply picking sides.
The US propaganda against China is wrong. The overwhelming evidence against the US is true.
The idea that there is no truth to look for, to grasp towards is fascist logic.
Believe it or not, Iran is not an oligarchy of finance capital (with taste for children). How could you say they would do the same when they're clearly different? It's an insane what if to just say that Iran and anyone else would do the same when these are vastly different peoples and cultures.
Also what's the point in discussing these what ifs if the US is literally doing it in real life? Going deeper is a fun excercise but ultimately meaningless when there are nations currently doing crimes against humanity.
Iran is doing crimes against humanity according to my news feed. At least they did about 10 years ago, when I was a reddit user. Can you tell me what Iran is, if it's not an oligarchy? Have you been there, or is that just wishful thinking?
Iran is a nation that has been under siege for decades by the most powerful and brutal regime on earth, the US. The measures and forms it takes cannot be understood without acknowledging that it is a state on a perpetual state of emergency.
End the war, pay reparations and lift the blockade, then you can criticize it's internal politics.
The entire world would cheer lmao.