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[-] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago
  1. Proletarian revolutions aren't going to happen simultaneously, and they won't always be successful. International revolution is most likely to start within one state, or a cluster of states, after which their main goal must be to expand the revolution, lead by example and provide guidance or military aid for states that are also undergoing revolutions. This isn't guaranteed to succeed though, as seen in USSR where most revolutions abroad got extinguished by their national bourgeois, it having to take survival measures to preserve itself and alleviate poverty due to its isolation, then eventually succumbing to counter-revolution and subsequent stalinist nonsense.

  2. Revolutions cannot be delayed or for them to be "left to simmer" until perfect conditions arise, since no such thing can exist given uneven developments, different levels of influence national bourgeois have on proletariat and just different historical conditions in general. Proletarian revolutionary crises themselves are largely spontaneous, they happen with or without bodies of power (like councils, parties, etc) organizing them, and all these bodies can really do is choose whether to act upon the revolutionary crisis or not, as in whether to agitate and shape the existing class consciousness to be a fully communist one and/or taking leadership of the movement entirely and ensuring revolutionary success, etc. In other words, they can merely react, not will the revolution into existence.

[-] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

after which their main goal must be to expand the revolution, lead by example and provide guidance or military aid for states that are also undergoing revolutions

so, AES?

[-] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

No, think USSR immediately after October revolution and Lenin actively making contact with communists abroad and having back and forths of tactics and advice, and preparing the red army in case a proletarian revolution abroad needed assistance.

AES on the other hand does the opposite, staying state capitalist or even introducing free markets by choice, with the primary goal being commodity/wealth accumulation to compete/work with capitalist states better, and internationalism being left secondary if being considered at all outside national interests. In other words, it's just capitalist development wearing red most often for geopolitical reasons (like aligning with USSR and being able to nationalize western buildings for instance), not spreading revolution.

[-] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

I guess, but in present conditions, could Cuba or China or Vietnam or whomever really do that without the United States decrying it as imperialism and using it to justify military escalation?

[-] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Would a fundamentally capitalist nation that couldn't exist without and thus heavily depends on commodity production, capitalist trade, wage labor, one that actively advances the interests of capital and expands it, and one that never had proletarian character to begin with (vast majority of AES countries were a result of peasant or class collaborationist anti-colonial revolutions) that wear red while constantly contradicting Marxism with its actions and rhetoric really decide one day to do a completely 180 on it's inherent interests and go all in on proletarian world revolution which seeks to abolish everything it relies so heavily on? If magic was real then maybe.

Besides, if the goal is world revolution, then who gives a shit about what bourgeois governments say when you're essentially declaring a global class war? The mere existence of Soviet Russia had triggered a red scare due to a fear of revolution spreading at home, it's unavoidable if all one needs to do is exist to be decried.

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