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[-] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

Communists focus mainly on the working class not because they don't care about queer liberation (so many leftcoms are trans to the point that its become an injoke), but because of historical materialism, the concept that it's the mode of production and advancements within it that control our behaviors, and not "independent ideas". The current mode of production that is capitalism depends on the nuclear family structure for reproduction, and queers go against that so the ruling class propagates anti-queer ideas as a result.

Stalinoid and Maoist revolutions (China, Vietnam, other AES countries, etc) weren't proletarian and instead were explicitly class collaborationist and anti-imperialist (seen in Vietnam's DOI, Mao's On New Democracy, etc) often wearing red only to get protection from USSR which has been completely subsumed by the counter-revolution long ago. They would ban gay rights or heavily promote reproduction for expansion of the workforce for national interests precisely because their goal wasn't to get rid of commodity production or go internationalist (Marxist position), but expansion of capital, be it state owned or otherwise which is the common interest of every bourgeois state.

The only revolution that didn't result in this was October revolution in Russia, they were almost a hundred years ahead of it's time in regards to things like women's and gay rights, and mind you it was still far away from actually reaching communism which they never did due to the failure of going international and subsequent stalinist counter-revolution.

Sorry for a wall of text on this meme, but ts is nonsensical anarchist slander ๐Ÿ’”

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 points 37 minutes ago

If every instance of AES except one is anti-queer, I think it's very fair to say that queer communism isn't a thing.

And it's truly tragic to see so many fellow queers get suckered into ML and other forms when they historically oppress us, and seek to destroy any counter-culture or people who don't fit in.

[-] RmDebArc_5@piefed.zip 1 points 23 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

With this comment it seams like you are saying that all communists are MLs. This was the most prevelent faction due to the spread by the Soviet Union, however communism as an idea existed before Stalin and Lenin and even Marx. There is much difference between communist schools of thought, the difference between AES states and a lot of communists is likely as large as the difference between a lot of anarchists and anarchocapitalist ideas

[-] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 11 minutes ago)

You do realize that ML is far from the only 'communist' currents, right? There's many other currents such as aforementioned Leftcoms (especially Italian leftcom current, growing in size mainly due to ex-ML's who decided to read Marx) who are highly critical of stalinism and it's derivatives, and their blatant falsification of Marx, Engels and Lenin?

This includes the rejection of AES as a concept, given how the overthrow of a global mode of production has to be realized globally and not just within one nation, which results in keeping commodity production going for international trade and reproduce the behaviors and interests of capitalist bourgeois states (in other words, historical materialism again which is talked about extensively in Marx's The German Ideology).

There's a good video that talks precisely about this if you don't care for reading theory, AES:Bound to Fail?.

[-] bearboiblake@pawb.social 5 points 1 hour ago

Remember that Anarchists were excluded from the Socialist International in 1889, an international conference of socialists, leftists and trade unionists. The exclusion of anarchists was the first item on the agenda.

Anarchism represents the real revolution, real change. Every other leftist ideology is a capitulation, each of them has a seed of corruption which makes the return of capitalism inevitable. Look at the USSR, look at China.

Only Anarchism is the long term path towards a peaceful world, a world without imperialism and exploitation.

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