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The Foundation sees this as a contradiction to the EU's own interoperability goals. Although XLSX is standardized as OOXML according to ISO/IEC 29500, Microsoft's implementations often deviate from the specifications. Furthermore, features often change undocumented, which complicates compatibility with open-source software such as LibreOffice.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

"OOXML" is literally just an XML serialization of MS Office internal data structures that Microsoft bribed the standards body to push through.

[-] b_tr3e@feddit.org 15 points 2 weeks ago

"bribed" is a gross simplifiction of the almost hilariously evil plot they pulled to get OOXML certified. They actually bribed a couple of smaller nation states to become IETF members and vote for Microsoft's standard. It was a major scandal back in the day but formally legal.

[-] Exatron@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I remember that plot also gumming up IETF business because the bribed nations just stopped participating after voting for Microsoft.

[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

It's like noticing a car crash and looking back... you know you shouldn't and yet it's somehow mesmerizing. So... where can I actually read about this please?

[-] b_tr3e@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago

Wikipedia for a beginning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardization_of_Office_Open_XML I remember The Register having a more detailed (and pretty snarky) article about it back then, but I didn't search for it yet.

[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Ah, so niche but of course there is a great Wikipedia article for this, thank you!

I was listening to the podcase episode 318 "Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein w/ Tim Schwab" of Tech Won't Save Us thinking that honestly I had such a low esteem for Gates surely it couldn't get worst. Well, I was clearly very wrong.

Now to read this after listening to the podcast is a great example showcasing how dearly Microsoft KEEPS on fighting for its monopolistic position. It's not a "oh it just happen" kind of situation. It's a constant investment of resources in the worst kind of ways, not into making the product better, but rather this. Again, unsurprising but whenever people argue about Gates being a "good" person or how Microsoft "changed" and isn't what it was in the 2000s they are unfortunately very naive.

Anyway, digging into this, thanks again.

[-] b_tr3e@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

You're welcome. It was a pleasure to set someomes ideas about Mr Gates right.

[-] MisterD@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 weeks ago

FYI: it wasn't a bribe. It was a temporary takeover of the standards body. They paid for memberships of a bunch of new people on the board for the critical vote.

[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

So, a bribe with the proper bureaucratic steps?

[-] Jeffool@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

I think saying that they "bribed the standards body" suggests the body was in on it. The actual allegation (I don't know any facts, just these comments) seems to be that the body was subverted by other countries that were bribed by Microsoft. Being someone who doesn't know the details there's a worthwhile distinction there. Though that still opens questions about the board's reaction, and I might read up on it all later.

[-] b_tr3e@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

Let me assure you that the original board that was voting for Open Office's proposal was absolutely pissed off, short of dissolving but eventually unable to revert the decision because of it's formal correctness.

[-] b_tr3e@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

...and bribed the represenatives of the "new" IETF members as well as their governments to vote for Microsoft's standard. The latter was, of course, a matter strictly between "business partners" and probably barred behind NDAs, so "legal" as long as nobody would blow the wistle.

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