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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Zionism is toast. It'll shamble along for a while because it has so much inertia, but there's no viable project anymore.

[-] greenbelt@lemy.lol 11 points 2 weeks ago

not gonna happen. You underestimate the power of money and lobbies.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago

Public buy-in did matter, that's why they've wasted so much money and effort and credibility on trying to brainwash people to become Israel supporters. It's why the Ellison brothers are buying up all of our media. They wouldn't bother if it didn't matter.

But it's too late. We've reached a tipping point and there's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 2 weeks ago

No, Business Men Plot types have been doing this since before the Roman empire.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Cynicism. Every attempted Crusader state ended in defeat and retreat, and Israel will be no different.

[-] timewarp@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah they certainly underestimate the number of Democrats that are willing to vote for servants of Israel that have no problem with genocide, but that think they have the moral high ground.

[-] danekrae@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago
[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

It's reality. Already, population growth in Israel is negative. Without Jewish population growth there's no settler project, they simply can't get people to come to their shitty ethnostate anymore and people are trying to flee (even as Israel implements controls to keep people trapped). Combine that with public sentiment turning against Israel in both parties and there's no future for Zionism.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 2 weeks ago

Zionists are doing what they've done since the Bronze Age, regardless of whether semitic DNA or European DNA. Unless both groups of Zionists, plus white Christians are genocide, in the United States and everywhere else, I hardly see Zionism being "toast."

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not really. Zionists are doing what they've done since the first Crusade, because that's where the roots of settler colonialism come from and what the function of Israel actually is for white Christians. Bronze age conquest was very different, when you got conquered by Greeks the only thing that really changed was who you pay taxes to, what trading markets you participate in, and whose laws you follow. The genocidal settler project is actually more modern.

This attempt to root Zionism in ancient history is actually Zionist historical revisionism.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 2 weeks ago

This attempt to root Zionism in ancient history is actually Zionist historical revisionism.

😬 I get your point, and it was poor phrasing. My point is Israel was rooted in conquest,

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