How 'Active Clubs' use male bonding, fitness and other healthy activities as a trojan horse for extremism (rachelgilmore.substack.com)

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[-] SimpleMath@piefed.ca 23 points 17 hours ago

As a white working class man leftists are great. I never have to explain myself and they accept me as I am.

I've never felt that I was portrayed any particular way by leftist discourse. Much of what we talk about is how to make the country better for working class Canadians. As should not be a shock, most leftist are working class, most are white. We're largely a white working class country.

Neo Nazis approach young men who are confused and angry about their lot in life and give them simple answers. They're not meeting them where they are, they're flattering them by pretending the world is conspiring to destroy white men.

[+] AskewLord@piefed.social -15 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I spent 3 years in uni being screamed at, in my face often, about how awful I was for being white and working class guy. Glad you didn't have that experience? But plenty of men do. But it was really hard not to become totally alienated by that. A few times I was threatened physically, because I 'don't look leftist', whatever the fuck that means. I still occasionally have some nutbags approach me and scream at me about my perceived politics based on how I look.

The left needs to give people simple answers and stop pushing convoluted narratives about how how being white and male is inherently awful and oppressive and you must be 'reformed' of your whiteness and maleness.

More economics, less identity politics.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 14 points 16 hours ago

The left needs to give people simple answers

How is tax the rich at the same rate as everyone else difficult?

How is universal healthcare convoluted?

[+] AskewLord@piefed.social -9 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

You seem to be confusing leftism in general with economic leftism. they aren't the same thing.

leftists in general, esp the vocal ones here on lemmy, tend to be authoritarians. They think taxing the rich and universal health care are neoliberalism/shitlib positions and we need to 'tear the system' down rather than reform it as a social democracy.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 12 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I'm sorry thise two things are separate how?

[-] AskewLord@piefed.social -5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

No. Personal experience isn't science. Your demand that I provide scientific proof of personal experience is absurd and just your bad faith way to totally dismiss it.

Can you prove to me with a scientific argument and data that you are leftist? Or that you are a true leftist? Or am I just supposed to 'believe' your self-reporting? I'm confident your sample size for your political beliefs and experiences consists of one.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

You've made claims, I asked you to provide information that backs it up.

So you're here spouting the same lines that right wing podcasters did a decade ago with about as much backing you.

Be better than rethoric that is a decade old.

[-] AskewLord@piefed.social -4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

because it's true.

you are delusional if you think there aren't hateful awful people on the left who think violence is a means to an end of theor political and social goals. lots of leftists here are insane people with insane views, that are often pro-violence, and pro-hatred. lots of those leftists are swept up hateful narratives about men, the working-class, and other identity group bullshit that they ironically also cling to as a means of asserting their own political/moral superiority.

being left/right has nothing to do with being a shitty and violent person. if you think it does, well I will assume you are one of the leftists who think's violence and hatred are totally justified as long as it's against your 'enemies'.

and that's cool man. go be an leftist extremist if you want. but if you pretend that it's only a problem when the right wing does it, you're no different than the right wingers you hate.

and your argument is guilt by assocation. 'oh this other person said this thing i don't like so therefore you are bad'. No. Right, and if right-wingers went on about how rape is bad, would any woman who talked about her expereince being raped also now be a right-winger? Jesus.

Frankly, I am talking about people exactly like you. You are the type of hateful angry leftist who is alienating people from your cause. Who dismiss and attack and harass anyone who doesn't fit your overly simplistic narrative, with your crappy bad faith 'arguments'. You take the 'prove it' flat earther bullshit approach, because it makes you feel BIG and SMART, because you're completely the opposite.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Wah wah wah, bla bla bla.

Your rethoric is bad and you should feel bad.

You've made claims and provided no backing data.

Why should I entertain any idea you spout if you are unwilling to substantiate them?

[-] SimpleMath@piefed.ca 15 points 16 hours ago

No you didn't. That's absurd.

[-] NSAbot@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 hours ago

More likely, they instigated hateful rhetoric and were called out on it. They didn’t understand that they were being called out for their hateful views and words so it’s easier to say, “they yelled at me because I’m a white cis man” when the truth would force introspection