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So are y'all china simps? I'm so confused still about hexbear.
If this post was reversed and posted by some liberal on mander.xyz, and a hexbear came into the comments and said
"so y'all Western simps?"
The replies would not be pointed, supply evidence, or otherwise actually informative replies as you have below this comment right now
There would be 5 comments saying 'whataboutism' because you liberals have no ground to stand on, so you deflect
When we make posts like these, we have reasons for doing so beyond the vibes
We believe things for reasons, because they survive rigorous analysis and form accurately to the world as observed
Whataboutism? What about deez nuts?
Exactly
A little bit, I mean they did do this:
Corporate media and politicians lie and present biased framing to get people to hate whoever they want them to hate. We've seen it too many times and anytime we try to push back or ask for sources we get labelled as bots, shills, or tankies. We don't mind criticism of any state, but we expect it to be well documented and framed in a reasonable context, and not just rumormongering.
WW2 famously lasted from the 1850s to the 1950s.
WW2 didn't hurt China's life expectancy, due to the communists taking over the country piece by piece the conditions of the population improved DURING WW2. That's how bad things were before the revolution. The conditions of a revolution, a civil war and a fascist invasion of extermination were simultaneously better than the humiliation and exploitation reaped by the British, American, and other capitalists. The life expectancy was 33 years old when Mao launched the revolution.
The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry.
What many don't know is that WWII was also known as the Hundred Years War, the linear progress of time proofs that.
Do you know anything about ww2 in China?
China beat the Japanese because the communists temporarily allied with the KMT to beat them. They were getting their ass kicked otherwise. Mao and the communists stay responsible winning even in your shit excuse.
Citing Brazil is funny as fuck because they had a revolution in 1930, and guess when their life expectancy began to improve?
Fuck all to do with ww2 and life expectancy was already nearly 50 before ww2 even ended. Revolutionaries stay winning.
Advances in modern medicine had virtually no impact in China's life expectancy at the end of WWII because the vast majority of Chinese did not have any access to medicine whatsoever at that time. They didn't even have vaccines, which had been around long before WWII. They often didn't even have food, with famines being incredibly common before the communists came to power.
Medicine did have an effect later, around 1968, but it wasn't because of a breakthrough in technology but rather because of the wildly successful Barefoot Doctors program, which brought basic healthcare to hundreds of millions of Chinese. The post WWII bump was more because of land reform and lifting the boots of the landlords off the peasants necks, allowing them to keep more of what they growed.
The immediate bump after WWII isn't the main point of the meme, however. The main point is a clear long term trend of rapid growth following a long period of stagnation, with the pivotal turning point being exactly when the CPC came to power.
Me @ the libs: https://youtu.be/9NkkZJHova4?feature=shared
Very quickly reaching levels far beyond what it was before the war, yes.
would you like to try again?
This is a neat little trick I learned called "Using My Eyes":
The graph starts at 1850
Tada!
If China "simping" includes calling out propaganda then yes
We're very clear about our politics. There's nothing to be confused about.
We're communists, anarchists, and other socialists. Hexbear is a non-sectarian left space so there is some variation on details or by degrees but we all share a revolutionary socialist perspective. That includes support for AES states. That includes educating ourselves about AES states instead of blindly accepting western propoganda.
Not a simp, just dont swallow US narrative as truth. Why would i trust the country that regularly tries to debt trap me? 1+1 isnt China Perfext Utopia, its 1+1 is The US is evil and untrustworthy
Very fair, thanks
Well yeah, the biggest reduction of poverty in human history will do that to ya
The only one simping anything here is you. You're the one that uncritically repeats state department talking points and believes CIA propaganda. Go investigate these claims for yourself - plenty of resources have been made available in this thread alone, yet all you could think of was this deficient condescending comment.
What CIA propaganda have I repeated?
If you were actually interested in a good faith discussion you wouldn't have asked a question I can see would be answered by you interacting with the many resources users have already made available to you in this thread. Begone dronie
Interesting okay, thanks
Everything you hear about China from western sources is a lie. Everything westerners write about them is tainted by sources controlled by the US state department. China will save the world from capitalism or we will all die.
They do appear to be China simps.
Nobody condones the Chinese surveilance Städte, which is very much like the US surveilance state. Nobody condones the Chinese liberalization of markets which make the Chinese economy resemble US capitalism in some regards. Nobody condones attacks on environmentalists, may they happen in China or anywhere else. So no, simp wouldn't be a good term here
Criticism of the decision is valid but I definitely think there were merits to it. Despite the increases in standard of living shown in my favorite graph, many Chinese were still living in extreme poverty when the reforms were initiated. According to the World Bank, more than 850 million Chinese people have been lifted out of extreme poverty, and China's poverty rate fell from 88 percent in 1981 to 0.7 percent in 2015. And China's rise as an economic power has allowed it to help establish an alternative economic bloc, which means now other countries can have access to foreign trade while maintaining more control of domestic policy than they would through the West.
It's a complicated issue and I understand why some people consider it a deviation but I also understand the reasons for doing it and I think it's met with some degree of success. I don't think we really have an official line on it.
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