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An Angus Reid survey says three-quarters of more than 4,000 respondents are in favour of a ban like the one in Australia, where youth under 16 are prevented from setting up accounts on TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat and Threads.

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[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 hours ago

It’s not correct to say social media is why kids are turning right wing.

A massive societal failure to meet boys where they are or engage with them for decades is largely at fault. Not parenting boys is a problem. Shutting down men’s issues discussions falsely as misogyny is a problem.

The right wing podcasters went and saw that these kids were lost and they lied to them and sold them out. That’s why we are where we are.

And those kids will be able to listen to Spotify or watch YouTube and will have no issue with finding Joe Rogan or Andrew Tate without ID. That’s not social media at all, it’s broadcast and hosted websites. Tate even offers a school to teach kids for fees and takes in millions. That won’t be getting tied up in social media bans either.

I just can’t watch us go “the only prevention is spying and giving up all personal autonomy”. It’s the subject of nightmares and 80 years of dystopian books. But now Meta is paying billions lobbying to track everyone everywhere and we fucking love it.

If your kid will go to the lengths of buying burner phones, SIMs, and hoarding devices to get past your age restrictions, they’ll go to the effort of using a friend’s ID or buying a fake one too.

There is no perfect solution here, but the presented age restrictions are orders of magnitude worse than doing nothing if you ask me.

These problems are not pure social media problems, they’re societal problems we can’t keep pretending are just due to bad people tricking kids on Facebook and Instagram and TikTok.

[-] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

I think the issues you describe are arguably part of the situation, but we saw a massive increase these right wing, bigoted attitudes almost overnight. That doesn’t just happen because boys and men are neglected. Men enjoy massive societal privilege and power, married with some expectations and pressure. Mostly put on them by other men who benefit from retaining that power structure or who are deathly terrified of change. It’s toxic masculinity in a nutshell.

The position you describe is frequently dismissed as misogyny because it is one many misogynists hold. Men have had to give up privilege and make space for women, are no longer the centre of the universe and all things must cater to them, and that’s why they are easily swayed to right wing talking heads who tell them actually, society has failed you because they think women and minorities are more important than you. We think you’re great as is, so you don’t have to shut up, give up anything or make space for others. We’ll put you back where you belong, right on top. I can’t sympathize with that. It’s just hateful selfishness, pure and simple.

Kids don’t find Rogan or Tate. It’s shoved in their face by social media companies because it’s engagement bait. Social media is the starting point. I can’t stop people from seeking these things out, there will always be a group. But deplatforming this content from social media will massively reduce the number of people that are exposed to it. Short of that, removing children from these spaces will do the same, at least for them.

I don’t think this is worse than doing nothing. I think we have seen where we’ve come in a couple years. This is so much worse than anyone could have imagined. If it helps, I would much prefer deplatforming of hateful content enforced by the social media companies with harsh penalties and strict regulation. Pushing these people to the corners of the internet does help, nobody gives a fuck what happens on Truth Social for example outside of Trump’s ramblings. I agree that Meta amongst other companies is trying to push toothless legislation that will only further their ability to track and sell each individual user’s data. I also agree the idea of “submit your ID to every social media company” is about the worst shit imaginable and not a solution. So I don’t think we fully disagree.

But I’m not willing to turn a blind eye to it, and I’m not waiting for idealistic solutions like “parent boys better” to magically solve everything.

[-] for_some_delta@beehaw.org 1 points 46 minutes ago

I was a child on the internet. The first white supremicist I met outside of family was in an online game. They sounded like my parents and grandparents. I had a conversation with the white supremicist as a child. The conversation was about why their ideas were bad.

In the same online game, I was running around in spaces where IP sniffers and nukers were common. The community used hex editors to cheat. I became a technically compotent person because I was allowed online.

Children are not stupid. Voices from the left are muted across society. The left needs to get louder.

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