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They collaborated with the Nazis because the Soviets invaded and occupied the country twenty years earlier.
They both fought against the Germans and the Soviets to try to go back to having independence
You’re whitewashing and apologizing for nazis:
These were not Nazis, but rather a separate organization that fought against everyone at some point, including fighting against Nazis. I don't have a personal opinion on it
They were literally Waffen SS.
Lol, imagine trying to find a reason to excuse helping literal Nazis...
Even the so-called goods people mention were obtained at the cost of blood. A lot of blood of innocent people. How hard is it to denounce nazism really lol fuck.
It's almost like people want to find a reason to support... what they really believe in.
Kind of like how the US government did the same thing when they protected former Nazis against War crime tribunals because we wanted their help against the Communists?
There's a bit of a difference between literally volunteering to fight for the nazi state and protecting von Braun so he could work for NASA.
Protecting von Braun doesn't enable the holocaust and other Nazi atrocities. It's machiavellian and realpolitik, sure, but the nazi atrocities are over by that point.
Literally enlisting in the SS, though, you're either actively carrying out atrocities or enabling other people to carry out atrocities.
Then formed entire government agencies for them. Here's the new headquarters for one of them
There are loads... For example...
Being treated better by them than by the ones you fight...
And no, although SS where the guys that run the KZs most of SS didn't even know about them especially not the foreign legions.
They also fought Nazis at some point, so it's a bit more complicated
You are thinking of the Ukrainian insurgent army. This is the Ukrainian SS division.
Shades of grey are not understood anymore.
Have you been taking stupid pills...? Like yeah, obviously some things are grey and complicated... But some things are black and white. And (I can't fucking believe I have to say this) Nazis = Bad.
I'd kind of love to hear how you would justify to Ukranians in 1939 that the Russians who have been murdering 10s of millions of Ukranians are the good guys.
Fuck them and fuck whitewashing.
Not to be that guy but the SS was also the foreign legions of Germany because they weren't allowed in the Wehrmacht (normal military) and SS had many people that just wanted to fight the communists.
Hey buddy drinks soda
You just blow in from stupid town?
Doesn't mean we call them heros and erect monuments to them. if anything we place these objects in a museum dedicated to the group. We acknowledge their troubled past, difficult decisions, horrible actions, good actions, and learn from all of it. A sense of shame and humility doesnt make current Ukrainians bad in any way.
Who's this we you're talking about. It's a private fucking cemetery.