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[-] Humanius@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is in no way a jusficitaion for what Google is doing, but they came to a "compromise" where you can still opt-in to being allowed to "sideload unverified apps" (read: install apps that didn't have to get approval from Google).

You have to enable it in the settings, and then you need to wait 24 hours before the setting is enabled. After that you can continue to run "unverified" apps

[-] wiccan2@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

What I haven't seen is what happens to all of the apps I currently have installed when this hits.

Am I going to have to wait 24 hours to open apps I already have installed?

Will they all get auto-removed and need reinstalling?

Everything is written as if you're starting from new not an existing state.

[-] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago

What happens if I just stop updating android for as long as I can? Quite a few apps on my phone have retained functionality past when their developers attempted to brick them because I froze updates

[-] MunkysUnkEnz0@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

My Samsung S22 let me pause updates anymore. And it nags me to death.

My workaround is to start downloading the update and then pausing it.

[-] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago

RIP, that's cancer. Yeah samsung has lost its fucking mind. I wish I had been considering the availability of 3rd party roms when I chose my model

[-] Coyote9369@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

This is all managed via Play services not the android OS so you'd need to not update the core services.

[-] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

Got that one froze too 🤞 pray for me holding out in the woods on this shit like the unabomber

[-] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There is a way to not update play services? They do their shit in automatic on my phone

[-] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's under settings > Security Privacy. You might need dev mode turned on

[-] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Thank you

Edit: apparently it's the playstore that manages play service updates, just disable play store automatic updates

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

google services update themselves separately

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

google services update themselves separately

[-] Meatwagon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm still sitting on Android 9 on a seven year old phone. They can take my Note 8 from my dead body. Its battery life is still fine and it's still snappy and fast.

My banking app stopped working so I just use the browser page. A few smart device apps won't work either, but I have a tablet I keep at home to use for my home control.

Discord still works fine. I have Reddit side loaded, still using RiF after the API fiasco. Those are really the only two things I need an actual app for an even then I'd probably just use the browser if they failed. Most apps still work as of now. Amazon won't let kindle work on it anymore but fuck Amazon, I just get non-drm stuff on a different reader now.

Most phone companies refused to enable voice over broadband option after the 3g network went down in 2022 but I stayed stubborn and kept calling until finding T-mobile would do it.

I guess I'll find out what happens when this update is pushed through? It shouldn't hit me I'd hope.

[-] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

I just upgraded to a fairphone 6 with e/os preinstalled after holding on to my LG G6 for at least 7 years. The thing that finally pushed me to upgrade was the camera, which was fine in 2019 but now is such a potato. Also the battery life was ass, the usbc port was super loose, and the micro sd card slot was broken so I was perpetually almost out of storage.

[-] Meatwagon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

How are you liking it? I've never heard of e/os before, it looks neat. How does it compare to lineage/ graphene?

My camera is still great and still better than my partner's newer iphone's. No port wobble yet thankfully and I've never used an sd card anyway. This Note 8 is still great in every way so I have no reason to upgrade yet. I want to make it to 10 years at least.

With e/os will updates eventually stop due to your phones hardware? Or can you keep updating perpetually? What I hate is being forced to upgrade a perfectly working phone because someone decided not to allow updates on it anymore and the app rot that follows.

I haven't used a rom this phone yet because I'm very attached to the stylus as I use this as my art tablet.. so that's the main holdout reason I have.

[-] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

I like it so far. In the words of Worf, it serves me. I definitely miss some of the settings I had available on my old phone, but this one is much snappier. The os is basically the same as normal android but without the builtin google garbage. I still have the android app store. I guess the main thing is since its a fairphone repair and battery replacement will be much easier so hopefully I can just keep it for a long long time.

[-] cybernihongo@reddthat.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

Am I going to have to wait 24 hours to open apps I already have installed? Will they all get auto-removed and need reinstalling?

At the start I would have thought this was possible but pretty ridiculous. Why would Google do any of that?

But it turns out this was not ridiculous, as Play Protect literally just removed Ankiconnect, an app I already had installed for months, without giving me the choice to keep it or axe it. They certainly could force us to go with their "Uncle Google can I have permission to use my phone?" flow for apps we already use.

WE MUST CONTINUE TO OPPOSE THESE CHANGES, THESE ATTACKS ON OUR ABILITY TO INSTALL APPS AS WE WISH.

[-] Coyote9369@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Haven't seen anything official but I'd assume they will behave as normal and you may not be able to update them without going through the advanced flow. Since ADB installs aren't restricted I don't think there will be any changes to existing installs. Just my thoughts based on what they have confirmed so far. I am just waiting for GOS to support the Pixel 10a so I can get further away from Google and their BS in general.

[-] noname_no_worries@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

FYI, there's an experimental build available, if you can't wait.

https://grapheneos.org/releases#stallion

[-] Coyote9369@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks, I'm aware but this is already my daily driver because my old phone was dying so I can't make the jump until it is stable.

[-] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

It won't do anything to apps already installed. Future apps can be installed either by going through the dev mode unlock process or connecting to a computer and using ADB which doesn't require a wait period.

[-] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

24hrs is a one time system flag for can install unverified apps or not, so it shouldn't affect existing stuff.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago

it wont remain at that. i bet they will disable that setting occasionally and make you wait that 24h again and again.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

The "advanced flow" with a one-day wait is just Google realizing they need to boil this frog a little more slowly to prevent a backlash. They still want a fully boiled frog in the end.

[-] herrvogel@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Xiaomi bootloaders used to work like that. You'd have to jump through some bullshit hoops to register your phone for bootloader unlocking, and then wait a few days to finally be able to unlock it. Then they made that worse and worse, and afaik it's so insanely difficult and inconvenient right now that it's practically impossible to unlock your Xiaomi phone's bootloader. This applies to all the brands under that umbrella.

I am about 97.37% sure Google will do the same over time and at some point you just won't be able to install any APKs.

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