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Just reposting this excellent point from lemmygrad

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[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Edit: A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.

We now have literal “Soviets were godless barbarians” arguments. The revolution is never perfect enough, is it? Wish there was a time machine to send people back to moralize about doing what needs to be done and Christian moral goodness to the leaders of a nascent revolution being ruthlessly attacked on all sides. I’m going to reserve my tears for the thousands of dead Jews and millions of starving and dying peasants.

Maybe we can have a struggle session over dead teenage Nazis from WWII next time.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

I don't like this. While it was probably necesarry to kill the royal family to avoid a counter-revolution or a government-in-exile, that does not mean we should make death, murder or the fear of those about to be murdered into something to laugh at.
Yes the Tzar was a murderous bastard encouraging pogroms and generally just a guy who got off easy, this photo doesn't really convey that to me. It seems like it's just laughing at something awful that happened to a family. Did the family deserve it? Yes. That doesn't mean we should make the act into something funny. Violence is necessary, but it shouldn't be glorified.
I don't think it's a black & white thing, but this image crosses my line anyway. Feels wrong.

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

I also don't like it, mostly because i fuckin hate wojak and every one of these images is incredibly ugly.

[-] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago

The children might not have deserved it at all even if it were needed. I would argue that the Bolsheviks made the correct decisions even if it wasn’t “deserved” simply by virtue that they would have posed a threat for the rest of their lives

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

While it was probably necesarry to kill the royal family to avoid a counter-revolution

Gestures broadly at the Russian Civil War that happened anyway.

Here's a rule for those of you at home, don't machine gun kids.

[-] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

I'm not ecstatic about it, but in the words of Brace Belden, ya gotta do what ya gotta do

[-] nicklewound@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Look at Mussolini's granddaughter now. They didn't finish the job. stalin-gun-1 stalin-gun-2

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

If she's presents anything more than an annoyance on Twitter I'm sure the Italians will flip her right-side up.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Eh, I think it was necessary. I think the argument Robespierre made against Louis was also cogent for the Romanovs

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[-] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago

Eh, I disagree. The kids didn’t deserve it but it was necessary as they would have served the counterrevolution for the rest of their life’s and would have been a rallying call by the reactionaries

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

There are still Stuart and Bonapartist pretenders, the presence or absence of heirs isn't what determines if you have an armed Royalist insurrection against you, as evidenced by the fact the civil war continued long past the murder of the royal family.

[-] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Having royal family members can provide some legitimacy to the insurrections. They didn’t know what was going to happen, only that the kids being gone may prevent an issue in the future and I would have agreed with them. The Bolsheviks were right on this instance

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That arguments even worse, it takes it from "killing the kids solves a current problem" to "killing the kids may solve possible future problems", and if that's the standard, then it's never not justified killing kids, as you can always posit some possible future where some kid is going to cause issues.

Say what you will about the CPC but at least they correctly realized that Pu-Yi didn't need to eat a bullet to head off any issues, and that was even after he collaborated with the Japanese.

[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

the kids were an issue that could have been mitigated

the rest of them got what they fucking deserved

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[-] RunningVerse@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Ah it's about that... Yeah death for me will always be a last resort. Because if it's glorified then we will be no better. We use death as a last ditch to resolve Contradictions.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

The Russian Civil War ended when the Bolsheviks depicted the Whites as the cringe wojak and themselves as the Chad wojak.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

At first I wasn't going to upvote but I have to give props for kicking off a struggle session over the Romanovs lenin-laugh

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Would you look at the time? what-time-is-it

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Tune in next week for the Hexbear pity parade for veterans

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago
[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

It’s about time for that, don’t you think?

I am so tired chomsky-yes-honey

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't get people that say they miss pre-federation, because these were the pre-federation vibes to me. People willfully misinterpreting another user, assuming the worst and digging their heels in, in order to score a dunk on a fellow leftist. There's no libs in this thread and we're still fighting.

In these situations in my experience it helps a lot to use "I statement" rather than "you". So instead of saying "you're reducing my argument to saying 'killing kids is good'" then saying "I feel frustrated, because my argument has been reduced to that of 'killings kids is good'". It's basic I know, but it does a lot for keeping hostility low.

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