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[-] jjpamsterdam@feddit.org 10 points 1 month ago

It's really difficult to look like the "good guys" in a conflict, when you're the Islamic Regime of Iran. Somehow the current United States are making the Iranians look more and more reasonable.

[-] weew@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

Iran is definitely more reasonable. Not good. But reasonable.

The USA, on the other hand, cannot be reasoned with. They are, by definition, unreasonable.

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

It kinda reminds me of light side sith in SWTOR, like yes you do serve the evil empire but you aren't an asshole nor are you crazy.

[-] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The defining characteristic of Trump's foreign policy is that keeping promises, integrity, consistency, truthfulness, morality, and legality have no benefits for the US. Only raw power matters, and dollars, according to Trump. Trump has done his level best to destroy US soft power.

Which is pretty much how Iran itself works. E.g. 2026 Iran massacres. So if you don't cheer for the US, fair enough, but please don't cheer for terrorist Iran.

[-] manxu@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago

I think that's the tragedy of this war. If Trump had involved the world, especially the UN, then it would have seemed more justified. It would have given cover to Iranian dissidents to overthrow their regime.

But as a solo act by Israel and the USA? You'd have to declare yourself a traitor to side with those two countries of all on the planet against your government. I found it baffling that Trump seemed to think now that Khamenei was dead the Iranians would rise up - but then I remembered he doesn't really understand he is not widely liked anywhere.

[-] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 2 points 1 month ago

I think that’s the tragedy of this war. If Trump had involved the world, especially the UN, then it would have seemed more justified.

Trump basically salted that option, when he shamefully reneged on Obama's deal with Iran.

I found it baffling that Trump seemed to think now that Khamenei was dead the Iranians would rise up

Like Putin, Trump thinks that everybody in the world are motivated by selfishness only. Trump thought that the replacement leader would know he was dead if he didn't surrender to Trump. And hence Khamenei's successor would surely surrender.

According to Russia/Putin experts, Putin is also genuinely convinced that the Orange Revolution in Ukraine was orchestrated by the West. Because it is not possible that local idealists could have done it, because there are no real idealists in the world.

[-] ChokingHazard@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

He’s also destroyed a good bit of hard power by firing anyone competent leading to the deaths and destruction of trained personnel and expensive equipment.

[-] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -3 points 1 month ago

They've always been reasonable. And they've always been the victims in modern history.

[-] dan1101@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The Iranian government killed 7,000 protesters. I think the Iranian people are by and large good people, but neither of our governments are any good. Iran's government just looks less crazy than the US government right now.

[-] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 3 points 1 month ago

Iran’s government just looks less crazy than the US government right now.

Iran's government is objectively less crazy than the US government. In perfect game theory style, Iran had set up the Hormuz threat as MAD (mutually assured destruction), with a completely rational and realistic threat. To deter the US from attacking.

The crazy government here is the US administration, who seemingly was too stupid to understand the extremely simple game theory behind MAD. Trump is not a "rational actor" in the game theory sense.

[-] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -2 points 1 month ago

3k, let's not use CIA produced numbers. We should be better than that as a species.

Also given it was proven it was a Mossad generated 'protest' meant to inspire a colour revolution.... maybe don't blame Iran for defending their sovereignty against a foreign attack.

You people didn't like it when Russia did the same thing in Ukraine resulting in Ukraine killing hundreds of protestors.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

For sure. Women and LGBTQ people in particular find the morality police to be very reasonable when they're being beaten in the streets and arrested.

[-] ajikeshi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

are we talking about the US or Iran now?

[-] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -3 points 1 month ago

Iran has greater protections for trans women than the US or UK btw.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

.... because they've forced their gay men to get trans surgery under threat of a death sentence

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