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[-] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

big problem with "privacy" concepts is the idea that the problem or any solutions are individual. it is not an issue that can be meaningfully addressed at the consumer.

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

Can't seem to crystalize my thoughts into the reply I want to make, but this really reminds me of how liberal countries individualize the problem of dealing with (usually "external") existential threats.

Like issuing advice and toothless water restrictions during drought. Pandemic response. Climate change. etc.

I have snapped pretty harshly in other threads at people who push the "its your problem and you can deal with it" type of attitude and I haven't quite understood why it provokes such hostility in me because I don't think it's a purely altruistic concern for people who aren't technically capable of protecting themselves.

The intuition that I'm feeling is that a lot of people who don't have anything to gain by doing so still push and mainstream issues into the "individual solution" problem space as a coping mechanism / psychological defense.

Like if you make the problem individual, then it becomes a matter of individual opinion whether something is good or bad and whether we should be actively involved in doing something about it. Maybe there's a self interested part of us that subconsciously knows that when things are terrible and terrifying that there is self soothing "value" in convincing yourself that you had a choice and opted in even if that means you're to blame.

So, perhaps, my response comes from seeing "just get a china phone bro" people as basically victimizing themselves and encouraging others to do so, thus actively removing any potential in themselves or others to even make informed decisions in their own self interest.

MAYBE I'm doing too much thinking on part of this. Maybe the other take away is that this too is as inevitable as the climate apocalypse. Shit pisses me off tho I tell ya whut

[-] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

I think there is a heavily (right) libertarian slant to "privacy" because of various issues such as

  • having the time and wherewithall to acquire the background technical knowledge to understand the issues
  • as a "hobby" it is expensive requiring purchase of specialized devices (like getting a pixel, even a used one, instead of a cheaper more common phone so you can install a custom ROM)
  • intersection with "prepper" and other right wing ideologies
  • intersection with criminal/corporate interests

those who are successful enough to hire lawyers and other pros to help them

  • higher levels of privilege which allow one to exempt oneself from surveillance if wanted

don't need to be on facebook, whatsapp, venmo etc as a matter of survival

  • discretionary financials available to provide funding
  • have status and influence within private, public, nonprofit, software, politics etc

So all the above is the ideological foundations. It selects for the people you can find in forums, producing content like writing or videos, contributing to software or other development projects, or running organizations. It snowballs. Plus the individual solutions are inherently more digestible because they can at least be implemented a bit. With them is the false logic that if only everyone (or some critical mass) would get with the program, then the problems would be solved. (Like how everyone decided to only buy cars with seatbelts.)

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

This cut through the brainfog like a knife. Good observations.

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