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Been thinking a lot about the, "you can't vote your way out if this," doomer leftists today.
another far right candidate won… coming from the same party originally
Hungary went from lime to lemon… don't get me wrong, this is a tiny hint forward but by no means is Hungary "out"
He's mostly been described as centre right, but we'll see. If he's not beholden to Russia and not massively corrupt, then that's a huge step. If they then undo the damage done by Orbán to the constitution and institutions of Hungary, then there will be a way forward.
Right wing? It is smack in the center.
The tisza party has published their policy plans. (full version pdf: https://magyartisza.hu/program)
Here are the left-wing ones:
Economic Justice and Redistribution
Expanded Social Safety Net
Labor and Public Sector Support
Public Goods and Equality
State-Led Public Services
Soap box, ballot box, ammo box.
thing is, you're comparing to america. America can't vote their way out of their situation because the whole system is set up to prevent it, it would take decades of dedicated work to undo the conditioning of the populace and start making it even remotely feasible for an actual good candidate to be elected.
Now, that's not to say that america can't vote their way out of things on a local level, that's actually one of the best bets available to them, but still even then Zohran's victory in NYC (which by all accounts was kind of revolutionary) was only with him getting 50% of votes. The democrats did everything they could to keep a notorious sexual harasser in power instead.
He was in power for 16 consecutive years before voting finally changed shit.
anti-electoralism is fully compatible with harm reduction, meaning it's not that you shouldn't vote but you shouldn't rely on it, shouldn't think it's the only way forward, shouldn't stop you from mutual aid and organizing instead of campaigning for some person
there are anti-electoralists plenty who don't believe in harm reduction though, of course, and I agree with you on that
Explain how to vote out the elements that brought Orban to power. You can't. They'll continue to exist under the new regime and do whatever they can to undermine. Also, Musk can meddle whenever he feels it is beneficial to him. Can't vote him out either.
So "voting is irrelevant", the (less than) two-day-old account implies
Seriously, can we have a "cool-down" period, between registering an account and posting a comment? It's not a perfect solution, but fuck... it might make shit like this less persistent. One should at least have to work/lurk for it; my fucking god these divisive comments from brand new accounts are pathetic
It might work to some extent on reddit, but with thousands of instances here - I think it's a bit of a moot point.
Thanks for illustrating my point! 🤡
That statement doesn't really work here... fucking bots
Oh, you think I'm a bot. How amusing! More illustration of my point exactly. I am confounded how you Americane let yourselves cede discernment for material wealth but hey... don't listen to me. I'm just a bot.
Hey 'just a bot'
What's the point that you say I'm illustrating? Honestly? I have ignorance that I strive to eliminate; What am I missing that you're trying to say?
I claimed your <2 day old account is advocating the "pointless-ness of voting", and being divisive (about people electing a 16 year power out of office). You said my comment "illustrated your point", and ended your comment with a clown emoji (insinuating I'm a clown... for???)
What is your point that I illustrated? ELI5