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[-] qualia@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

...sound dampening material allegedly installed to keep noise out of nearby offices had blocked airflow, causing temperatures to climb.

Sounds like they may have used foam in the relevant HVAC ducts instead of baffles. The latter creates a maze for the airflow which dampens noise through increasing surface area absorption. For the former, assuming they (hopefully) used foam on the bottom of the ducts, that friction creates tons of eddies for the fluid, meaning they need a much higher upstream fan pressure to get the same air transmission.

Imho forcing humans to do menial work is holding up progress. I realize it's an unpopular opinion (irl at least) but I believe paying more UBIs (Universal Basic Income) for just enough to survive (e.g. food, rent, necessities, incidentals) and allowing robits to take over those jobs would allow humans to focus on work that interests them. AI has already brainsmaxxed us on memorization (crystallized intelligence) but humans are still the pros for lateral problem solving (fluid intelligence).

Why not embrace that?

[-] plz1@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

If Amazon was technologically ready to do this, they would have already. You think they prefer having the meat grinder of labor abuse they run globally, over what would be "buy once" robo-employees for the warehouses? It's been their top logistics focus for well over a decade, and while they've come a long way, it's still not ready for wholesale labor replacement for all those roles.

[-] kindnesskills@literature.cafe 7 points 1 week ago

Amazon arent the ones who would distrubute UBIs.

But if people had access to UBIs, amazons working conditions and salary would improve drastically, or they'd suddenly decide they can actually afford those robo-workers because developing that technology is cheaper than taking care of their workers when the workers have options.

[-] webp@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

If robots can do work for us, why have a monetary system at all?

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Humans are still better, faster, cheaper at menial work than robots. We’re in the transition, but the adoption curve is still really shallow. The problem here is treating the humans like the robot you wish you had.

We really do need to figure out some variation of UBI for when we hit the steep part of the robot adoption curve. Amazon won’t hesitate to replace humans as soon as robots can actually do the job, but there are a lot of Amazon workers. There are small communities with a high percentage of people working at Amazon. If robots happen those communities will be hit hard and fast. Ideally we would already have a safety net spread out and waiting

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

We're already on the steep part of the automation curve! The best time for UBI was a century ago, the second best time is today.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

While true this is different. Previous automation tended to create more jobs overall. It sucks to be a coal miner in Appalachia but now you have higher paid jobs building, operating, fixing big machines. Society as a whole benefits. Automation really only happened for specific scenarios and there’s always so much that automation couldn’t do

However the new phase of automation, self-driving vehicles, ai, humanoid robots, promise to automate things that only humans could do until now. We may suddenly see a significant percentage of jobs disappear to automation, without creating new jobs for humans. They also promise to be adopted far faster than society can adapt. Businesses become more efficient but overall number jobs goes down . Permanently

Consider Tesla self-driving vehicles. There are already millions of tesla cars out in society that can be self-driving, plus soon tens of thousands of semis. If self-driving succeeds, that could easily be hundreds of thousands of uber and taxi jobs, and tens of thousands of trucker job gone in as little as a year. And no new jobs created

Consider humanoid robots. The promise is mass produced by the hundreds of thousands and easily trainable without the infrastructure and scaling limitations of existing industrial robots. Every amazon warehouse job gone. As fast as they can be shipped. No new jobs created

Consider ai. Previous rounds of automation have helped software developers do more faster better, leading to explosive growth in the field. If ai actually works that would be hundreds of thousands of coders gone, with very few new jobs

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

Devil's advocate: wouldn't it have looked like this to someone early in the industrial revolution as well? They couldn't have imagined all the jobs that would be created to do things that didn't seem necessary at the time.

I agree that AI that actually works would be the exception, but IMHO we're nowhere close right now.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I don’t know what they would have seen: certainly now we see automation has replaced brawn, speed, precision, and it tends to hit specific jobs at a time. Intelligence, creativity, adaptability have remained strengths of humans until now. They probably didn’t have that paradigm but we do: if there’s something humans could still do better, don’t we have the context to have thought of it?

The direct comparison there might be the self-driving cars I mentioned. If that succeeds, it really only replaces one type of job, just like earlier automation. However the difference is the speed it can be adopted and it’s all software so scales orders of magnitude more per new job as a creator. And in the case of Tesla those new jobs are already allocated and the rollout is well underway - just needs software switch to turn it on. Millions of jobs gone. At once.

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