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[-] baeb66@lemmy.today 76 points 3 days ago

Carlson also spent last week ranting about how the "civic religion" of elites is Israelism (whatever the hell that means). And he backed up that conclusion with the old "If you want to know who rules over you, just look for who you are not allowed to criticize", which is a quote from a Neo Nazi.

He's a bad actor who launders white nationalist talking points. He goes where he thinks his audience wants him to go. Don't give him credit for finally changing his rhetoric against Trump. It won't last.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 56 points 3 days ago

Obviously Carlson isn't a good guy all of a sudden. What's interesting is that there is clearly a split in maga now because war on Iran turned out to be such an utter debacle.

[-] yottle@kopitalk.net 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The split seems to have started with the Epstein files and It's starting to grow. I'm curious to see how overt it will become. Will it simply result in lower republican voter turnout? Or will a high number of former allies in government start to turn on him?

[-] zealouscurmedgeon@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We might seem something like how his pedo pick Roy Moore lost to a Democrat in Alabama because Republican turnout was so low. Idk about an overt MAGA civil war. Most people I know who voted MAGA are just really quiet now and "don't want to talk about politics."

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago

I think Trump's days are numbered after Epstein and Iran debacles. And it's almost certain that Carlson is angling to grab a chunk of the base when the infighting get serious.

[-] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 5 points 3 days ago

People (&the media) have been saying his days are numbered for literal years and the 'split' 'gap' 'break' 'riff' in his base is just another talking point for clicks in most news articles.

All I'm saying is, I'll believe it when I see it.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

If there's one thing his base cares about it's gas prices, and they're going to be going through the roof once the actual shortages start to hit. So far it's just been market speculation driving them because tankers take a while to arrive. The shipments that were supposed to leave when the strait was closed would've been arriving in the next week or so, and when that doesn't happen that's when the real fun starts. I just don't see how he's going to climb out of the hole he dug for himself here.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

There's always a split in maga.

First it was the epstein stuff, then it was tarrifs, then it's the iran war.

But they keep forgiving him and bowing down. I've reached the conclusion that maga are unsalvagable as people.

You can find the most angry violent hateful dog, and rehab them into being a better happier dog. I used to think you could do the same with maga.

Nope.

They're so braindead that they'll accept ANYTHING he does. Anything.

Place tarrifs? Booooooo......oh, alright.

Rape kids? Boooooo.......oh, alright.

Raise gas prices? Boooooooo......oh, alright.

Go to war? Boooooo.......oh, alright.

Break into my house, and rape my wife? Boooooooo..........oh, alright.

I made that last one up, but stand by the fact that's exactly how it would play out if trump went door to door raping peoples wives right in front of them.

These people are mentally absent and morally bankrupt.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 days ago

What you're missing here is that people treat politics as sports ball when they fail to connect it to their daily lives. As the economic situation in the US continues to decline, Trump supporters will start having problems paying their bills and making ends meet just like everyone else. They will turn on him, and it will get ugly. What Carlson is most likely doing here is setting himself up as an alternative, and he'll harness that anger for his own purposes.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

I read a story maybe 2 months ago where farmers in Idaho had everyone they hired on their farm deported from an ICE raid. Without cheap labor, they were forced to sell their farm. The farm owners said they realized it was trumps policies that did this.

There was a different story involving a family owned lumbermill. It had been family run for over a century. It wasn't ICE raids, but some other new policy trump enacted.

In both cases, they were trump voters. Full on maga. They admitted it was trumps fault. They also said they'd vote for him again.

[-] pwalshj@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

When your racism trumps your livelihood and generational legacy.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

Right, and we'll be seeing more and more of this happening as Trump continues to destroy the economy.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 3 days ago

Like that braniac Argentine that can't pay her bills and plans on voting Milei. I had a conversation today with a client who is extremely naïve, poor, and entitled, but one thing we agree, all these people on the Hill and in positions of influence promoting them are probably drugged out of the galaxy.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 8 points 3 days ago

I know a couple of ex-maga. Now they're Blue maga.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago
[-] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago

Neoliberals who unconditionally support the Democrat establishment and blame the left for everything etc

[-] asdasd201@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Blue maga is when you blame the GOP instead of the rotten core of the US empire for the problems with the daily live of an average American.

[-] zd9@lemmy.world -4 points 3 days ago

They actually want to make America great again, by taxing billionaires out of existence, breaking up all monopolies, punishing greedy CEOs the French way, boosting union memberships, blowing up all oil pipelines and refineries, and bringing down the current capitalist banking system?

Just guessing lol

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Just making up a fever dream. Blue maga has a definition and it's not this. It's insisting that we need to have the worst most geriatric candidates for office.

[-] zd9@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago

Yeah that's why I was joking and saying "just guessing", glad you can read

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 3 days ago

DNC would actually win back voters and then some. Probably some red magas too.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/blue-maga

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world -4 points 3 days ago

Well, that describes me.....but can we not call it "blue maga"? Not loving that name.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Blue MAGA already has a well established definition and has for over a decade

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

Red MAGA has only been around for barely a decade.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I'll give you that it didn't gain popularity as a pejorative till 2019, but it was being used in 2016-17.

[-] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Turns out ultraracist white nationalists aren't big on American jews or Israel.

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago
[-] ChristchurchAsshole@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago

Immature, but it gets a '+1' from me (former MAD reader btw)

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

It may last. It may not. Either way it's not authentic. It's just where he thinks the money lay.

[-] zd9@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

He's only changing it outwardly because he's losing money finally. He smells MAGA going down relatively soon and wants to distance himself so he can run in 2028.

This smug white nationalist fuck will get what he deserves.

[-] ChristchurchAsshole@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 days ago

Losing money how? Tucker was already going against the establishment even before the current war. Look at the 5th and final episode of his 9/11 documentary last year, where he interviews John Kiriakou: https://rumble.com/v70k53m-the-911-files-from-tragedy-to-tyranny-ep-5.html

I wouldn't trust Tucker or anyone to be president, but I like that Tucker at least admits his mistakes, including his mistake of opposing the 9/11 truth movement and being rude to them. He pretty much turned against the establishment after he was fired from Fox. He did dumb political hatchet jobs for years, then finally started to make real programmes.

I can't yet see how Tucker would run for president as soon as 2028. What would he do, apologise to republicans, tone down his criticism of the war, and tone down his support for the 9/11 truth movement? I can't imagine a 9/11 truth president just yet. Anything is possible tho.

[-] unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

"Israelism" = Zionism.

I never even thought I'd say this, but if he really said "Israelism", he may be one of the few right-wing people who aren't committing the gravest form of antisemitism: conflating all Jews and the Jewish faith as a whole with the sins of Israel the state, its leaders and its supporters.

[-] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.today -3 points 2 days ago

"If you want to know who rules over you, just look for who you are not allowed to criticize"

What is wrong with this statement? Geniune question.

In China you are not allowed to criticize the central government.

In north korea, you are not allowed to criticize the Kim Jong Un government.

In South Korea you were not allowed to criticize KMT during the 40 year dictatorship backed by the US.

In the US and Germany, you lose your job or funding or get kicked out of uni or lose your Visa or get jailed if you criticize Netanyahu or Israel.

Someone please explain what is wrong with this statement, it's a genuine question.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

You're not allowed to criticize orphans either. They don't rule over you, they just have it hard enough already and really don't need the criticism.

[-] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is based on the assumption that orphans are underprivileged and aren't capable of harming others. Which I agree with.

But Israel isn't underprivileged. They definitely are capable of harming others and continue to do so everyday.

Orphans don't train dogs to rape other people.

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