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[-] Pissed@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago

I think it really depends, if I were to work at a workers co op where I'm a part owner of the business I really probably wouldn't mind working more. All these CEOs get insane compensation for their work, why do you think they don't mind working more? Obviously I wouldn't want to have to spend 7 days a week in a steel factory a coal mine or a slaughterhouse etc.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 14 points 1 week ago

They don't "work more;" they play more and call it work.

Eta:

โ€œI enjoy thinking about business things on the weekends,โ€ the 61-year-old admitted. โ€œI do emails, and I read my papers and all of that."

๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿคก

[-] Pissed@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

I mean who knows maybe he does spend more time on his work, whether his work is productive for society is another matter. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with work, there is something wrong with being exploited.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I'm sure those workers in the slaughterhouses and coal mines will be happy to work there once they're un-alienated.

[-] Pissed@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Yeah, nobody wants to do those jobs, but we all rely on people doing them, the obvious answer would be to automate the jobs people don't want to do. Instead you see modern capitalists automating away the jobs people do want to do, like white collar work.

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

People don't want white collar jobs because the work is fulfilling. They want them because the jobs aren't physically demanding and they pay well.

[-] Pissed@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Yes that sounds more fulfilling than working in a coal mine, obviously most jobs are bullshit. Recently I've been wondering wtf is going to happen with all those skyscrapers once AI takes every ones white collar job (if it even can) one of the main reason of trying to get people back into the office was that commercial property owners.

I'm obviously aware that our economy needs to fundamentally change.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

So socialism isn't obtainable with current technology?

[-] Pissed@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Did I say that? I'd say socialism isn't attainable without some kind of civil war. Also there are lots of different ways a society can be built and organised and how it interacts with technology.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

And who's going to clean the toilets?

[-] Pissed@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Who says you need to organise a society in a way that needs toilet cleaners, and who says cleaning toilets is such a God awful job that nobody would do it. I clean my toilet at home and have cleaned toilets at work. Who says cleaning a bathroom isn't something that every one in a firm can be involved in?

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah, that's totally how it works in real life.

[-] Pissed@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What? You think there is no way that we could organise a society that doesn't require a permanent underclass to clean up your shits?

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

No. What I'm saying is that I haven't seen it work in reality. I can imagine a society where it might work. I can imagine anything. That doesn't mean it's attainable.

[-] Pissed@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

What do you mean? There are several governments that have socialist governments. On a theory point its very hard to built a different kind of society especially when you're forced to compete with a capitalist society, its why lots of the Bolsheviks used to believe that a global revolution would be nescissary to completely other throw capitalism. Have you never lived in communal living or with your family where you had to clean up your own shits? Because I have and I've seen it work. I've also seen worker coops work, and yes there are people who work in worker co ops who clean the toilets.

I'll say it again: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

The capitalism hellscape that is Japan has the children cleaning their schools to teach them autonomy and mutual respect. You can easily organize a company like that with correct education.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

And Japan is an example of a society that functions without coercion?

[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

I think I made clear that Japan is not an example of society when I said "capitalism hellscape that is Japan". But it's a real life society that made something like Pissed proposed work.

If you call education coercion that is a you problem.

[-] ChristchurchAsshole@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

That's the whole point really, the people who start the company will gladly work 6 days a week and stay up late at night if they have to, and travel through different time zones. Which is fine if they enjoy it, but in an ordinary job for minimum wage I'm not going to act with that amount of loyalty to the company lmao. I'll just resign if they pay me minimum and want me to attend meetings and pretend I'm some kind of executive. When I worked with timber they wanted me to meet suppliers to gain product knowledge but it never proved useful in my 5 months. It just took me away from customers or delayed my lunch break even further.

[-] Pissed@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Did I ever say you should be expected to?

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