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cross-posted from : https://lemmy.zip/post/63262827

Chanting ‘from the river to the sea’ would be criminalised under proposed state law

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[-] fizzle@quokk.au 27 points 6 days ago

I used to be ambivalent to Israel but for fuck sake they just seem like a collection of the most awful people on the planet. Regardless of their history i feel like they deserve to have their entire country blockaded and obliterated to dust.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

I mean to some extent you should at least recognize that they've been heavily propagandized to to be the people that they are.

Not that they should be excused, but they're not inherently the most piece of shit country on the planet.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 3 points 5 days ago

You're making the same mistake as the Germans.

Don't conflate a country with its people. There are Israeli teens sitting in prison right now for refusing to serve in the military because they oppose the genocide

We know about much of the horrors of the genocide thanks to the amazing reporting by Israelis at 972 and Bt'selem. Also shout out to Breaking the Silence. And to the Israeli anarchists fighting every day for a 0 State solution.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Israel is a democracy, there is zero excuse to keep voting for genocidal governments. They are to blame but you can attack terrible people unless they are involved in attacking palestinians either by being a soldier or a settler stealing and attacking west bankers

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Israel is not a democracy. It's a police state full of heavily armed fascists.

The last PM that made any steps towards peace with Palestine was murdered, the day after the current PM called for his assassination.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin

Running for peace in Israel is a death sentence. It'll never happen. Israel is not a democracy.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It is a flawed democracy just like the usa.they have free election . Israelis willingfully vote for pro colonialism politicians.

Rabin was a snake. His vision of peace is exactly how the situation is today. A lesser than a state where israel still have control over Palestine borders and economy and can intervene militarly under pretext on security.

https://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/pm-rabin-speech-to-knesset-on-ratification-of-oslo-peace-accords

[-] fizzle@quokk.au 1 points 5 days ago

Nah.

Citizens have e always been held accountable for the acts and behaviour of their nation.

For example, if a single IDF soldier had raped or murdered a Palestinian, and the IDF had a trial and punished them appropriately, then perhaps an Israeli is not accountable for that

However when a country perpetuates a campaign of genocide, you cant really expect a free pass as a conscientious objector. The abuse of Palestinians is so deeply embedded in Israeli culture - soldiers sharing photos of the victims of their abuse is a celebrated daily occurrence.

In Australia for example our indigenous first Australians were abused by European settlers. That was mostly before I was born, but my generation is still held to account.

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