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In terms of how it can form part of a transport network, demand responsive transport could (and maybe should) form a part of our future infrastructure.
For cities in particular, there is major demand for radial trips (i.e. trips to and from the centre). However, there is much lower demand for trips between suburbs (e.g. to and from the supermarket). If we want to eliminate the need for car ownership, we either need to eliminate suburbs as a concept (not likely), or make these trips able to be made by publically owned transport. Buses aren't worth running in these cases because demand is so low and irregular.
Here's where demand responsive transport comes in. Have a fleet of publicly owned self-driving cars that people can book trips on. They get a lift with these to and from the shops/library/friend's house, and they no longer need to own a car.
Other example: at the other end of a long train journey to a rural area. You have a fleet of self driving cars based at the station, which solely do trips to/from the station.
Good point but from what I understand about suburbs is that they are awfully designed with roads that connect and bend for no reason resulting in situations where it takes 2 minutes to walk to your left next door nabor and a 30 minute drive to visit your next door nabor on the other side of your house all because the road just ends but there's more suburb beyond if we just made them grids suddenly it takes a lot more acors to make a suburbs bikeable we could probably make them walkable by ditching the single house per block and just use multi story apartment buildings I'm not even trying to defend suburbs I'd be more than extatic to have them torn down and made into normal cities or better yet actual countryside that they originally bulldozed to build them in the first place I've seen a plenty of beloved farm land that used to be grased upon by adorable cows and sheep get flattend and drained just to make a waste of space
You are correct about suburbia. There are also typically no sidewalks and minimal shoulders, so even if you live within walking or biking distance of places, it is dangerous to not drive there.
In the US, some of this stems from racism. I don't feel like getting into the history of it, but if you are interested, red lining, restrictive covenants, and using the cost of car dependency as a racial filter are good starters. Basically, the US suburb situation came about partially due to racism, and partially due to hostile takeover of transportation infrastructure and PR campaigns by corporations.