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Revealed: US pro-birth conference’s links to far-right eugenicists
(www.theguardian.com)
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Why does there have to be a sacrifice? Why can't people just be encouraged to use contraception?
Because the pope says I can't wear a little rubber thingie on my old chap.
How do you encourage marginalized people who have been historically discouraged from breeding due to eugenics reasons to voluntarily stop breeding because the people in power just lowkey want them to?
Because the people causing the collapse of the planet are not the same ones you expect to stop reproducing (literally eugenics btw)
Which ones do you think I expect to stop reproducing exactly?
You clearly stated it - the ones you think need encouragement to use contraception, and lets not pretend you mean rich people.
Why not rich people? I meant all people. If rich people don't understand condoms, they should. And use them. I have no idea why you think I would say otherwise.
You're talking about this as if there's no overriding socioeconomic context that carries forth implications. Any time birthing restrictions have been tried, rich and privileged groups always get exemptions.
People should be encouraged to take advantage of contraception because they should have the right to plan their families- not because we've decided we want to look down on people who breed.
No, you didn't, no one who brings up overpopulation ever does, it's a dog whistle (so even if we pretend you didn't mean to, you're advocating the same bullshit as those who do mean it).
But hey, double down away if it makes you happy, just know that your choice to die on this hill instead of putting your hand up to admit you had a shitty uninformed take doesn't do you any favours.. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Please point out one single thing that I've said that makes me a racist. One thing.
He's right, and saying there's too many people on the planet to live sustainably isn't racist or a dog whistle. Suggesting that there's too many of some specific race or class of people would absolutely be racist (or classist or some other -ist), but nobody should get a pass. Everyone helped get us into this situation and everyone should be working to solve it. While it is true that using our current factory farming methods we can produce enough food today that's absolutely not going to be the case forever and it's also forcing our hand with regards to using incredibly environmentally damaging and unsustainable farming methods. We have to use factory farms because we literally couldn't produce enough food otherwise. Everybody should be encouraged to limit the number of children they have. And before you start, I practice what I preach, I have no children.
Prime example one of the problem is Muskrat and his what, nearly a dozen kids? That should be completely unacceptable. There's absolutely no reason why anyone should have more than 2 kids at worst, ideally 1 or no kids. At least until global population levels have dropped to a point where we can meet our food needs using smaller farms that don't require truck loads of fertilizer and antibiotics and pack so many animals into such a tiny space that they can barely move.
You put a lot of words into someone’s mouth and then had an argument with yourself. That was funny but I doubt that was your intent. Maybe try not constructing so many straw men?