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[-] Godric@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Democrats: Pass landmark legislation to give minorities political power, eventually lose power

Republicans: Gain power, strip minorities of political power

You: "Why aren't the Democrats doing more?"

Every time the GOP burns the house down, they're politelt excused and Democrats get blamed for not bringing enough water. Explain exactly why you think the Democratic Party wanted the VRA to die.

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Democrats: Pass landmark legislation to give minorities political power

This is some wild erasure of impact of the Civil Rights Movement in the 60s on pressuring Democratic politicians, including LBJ himself, who was more worried about pissing off southern Democrats than passing the VRA. It wasn’t until the threat of mass civil unrest was upon them that that it was passed with bipartisan support, with 20 of the 32 Republican Senators at the time (not a typo, Dems held a supermajority of the Senate) cosponsoring the bill to prevent southern Democrats from filibustering it. It also passed the House with bipartisan support and a 333–85 vote (Democrats 221–61, Republicans 112–24).

As always it is the people, not politicians, who get the goods.

[-] neatchee@piefed.social 0 points 3 weeks ago

I see. So if our ideal candidate isn't possible anymore for the next election, we should always vote for the worse candidate, to drive people further towards public outcry, until civil unrest can get the real goal accomplished.

Makes perfect sense

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone -1 points 3 weeks ago

No, not being allowed to rewrite history doesn’t mean that at all. You don’t get to erase the incredible violence faced by average people that was ultimately behind the passage of the VRA, or the cowardice of the politicians who wouldn’t act until the mob was literally on their doorstep.

If you think anything I’ve said about the VRA is inaccurate you need to go read a history book. Anyone telling you to be grateful to the Democrats for passing it out of the goodness of their heart is at minimum too ignorant about the actual history of the US to listen to, or they’re trying to con you.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

we should always vote for the worse candidate,

The point is that it doesn't matter who you vote for, and pretending otherwise is a bit absurd. All we get are neoconservative politics no matter who we elect. The difference is one side pretends to be powerless and just lets the bad shit happen. (Except for genocide and poverty, which they enthusiastically aid and support.)

Your only power is local unless you're willing to commit a dramatic act of vigilantism.

[-] neatchee@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You may wish there were a third track, but taking your hand off the lever gives up power.

Saying it doesn't matter is a naive position of privilege. Of course it matters. This is a "they're no different" argument that is just so obviously a false equivalence.

[-] mattyroses@lemmy.today -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

but taking your hand off the lever gives up power.

You're saying that voters should have no power and have to accept whatever the Democrats nominate. You don't seem to understand what power is.

[-] Endgame@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

And let's not forget that Strom Thurmond, the man whose hatred for black people gave him the demonic fortitude to filibuster the Civil Rights Act for 24 hours and 18 minutes was a Democrat, until he and his ilk decided to all gather in the Republican Party.

I don't think liberals will ever quite understand why it was so easy for him to switch parties like that. Or why Trump made the same switch after being a Hillary supporter in 2008.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

That isn't anything close to what I said.

But okay. If it makes you feel better. 🤟😎

[-] Godric@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

Cool beans bud, great talk. 🤡

[-] pinto@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

This is the highest of liberal thought. No retorts, just acting smug.

[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Democrats have never made a single significant improvement that wasn't under explicit threat of violence from the organized masses, and even then only after dragging their feet and heavily negotiating it down.

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Off the top of my head ,Obamacare, green energy investments, gay marriage, ending non-competes, antitrust, not ending lifesaving aid to the global south are all pretty neat.

Do you remember the armed militias organizing so Adam and Steve could get married? I don't. IG there were a lot of guns at the last Buck-and-Buck party I went to, but it was a hick town so...

[-] VAK@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

As an outsider, I feel like while democrats have done many things that you might be vocal about, the biggest factor of deteriorating quality of life wasn't sufficiently addressed.

[-] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago

Almost all of your examples are exactly what they mentioned

Obamacare - shitty mild reform forced after literal decades of working class begging for drastic reform. The essential “meat” of it in terms of progress was ending the ability of insurers to deny for pre-existing conditions. The cost of this was the individual mandate, forcing everyone to buy (still privatized and ridiculously expensive) insurance, which was ultimately a huge win for insurers. They sold a significantly higher amount of shit coverage high deductible plans, especially to young people, who generally never meet the deductible. So now they had the monthly premiums for those people while essentially paying $0 in coverage. In turn many of those people became extremely resentful and saw the gop as saviors when they eventually removed the individual mandate to pander to them. Romneycare, the original bill, did nothing to address the huge administrative overheads that plague our system (5-10x the rate of other countries), no regulatory controls for price gouging, etc because it was designed to look like something was being done while ultimately serving the corporate monopolies involved in health insurance, which the democrats were happy to adopt because they are corporatist in nature

Green energy investments were paltry and pathetically low considering the scale of the issue. Americas grid is not even 25% green energy. Meanwhile China has 3x the capacity of Americas entire grid in green energy alone

When has significant antitrust action occurred? Honestly? The last real movement was breaking up the telecoms in the late 80s/early 90s. Even that was pointless as the telecoms eventually re-convened through mergers and acquisitions over the next 10-15yrs and have reemerged as Internet monopolies with price fixing and everything. Monopolies exist everywhere in the USA - obviously in tech to an almost unprecedented level, health insurance through companies like Aetna and Cigna, mass media is overwhelmingly owned by 6 indicates/companies, even shit like the major music record labels have dwindled from like 14 to like 4 from 2000-now because no controversial merger is ever blocked. Even fucking grocery chains and food brands that have been demonstrably shown to price fix are either given a slap on the wrist fine or nothing at all

Gay marriage was not codified in a way that prevents repeal at any point, similar to abortion rights. As a result it is in a precarious situation where the republican evangelicals are actively funding court battles to challenge it

Aid abroad was to generate “soft power”, eg “I did you a favor so you now owe me the world”. While aid is good it was extremely often exploited for imperialist motives like perpetuating the military industrial complex

Every single one of these is an example where the democrats presented idealized progressivism, watered it down to something tolerable for the donor class (and sometimes even beneficial), and still went into it kicking and screaming (the complaints people have about fetterman, that they had about manchin and sinema, were about Lieberman in the ACA days). Neoliberals eat it up because it feels like progress with marketing and the democrats then leave the issue behind forever as “solved”, eg “we did the absolute bare minimum to appease enough of the masses to continue to secure power”

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 weeks ago

Green energy investments were paltry and pathetically low considering the scale of the issue. Americas grid is not even 25% green energy. Meanwhile China has 3x the capacity of Americas entire grid in green energy alone

So we should instead empower those that would end all green energy investment?

I'll never understand "give me everything I want or I refuse to participate voters". It's like ensuring nothing gets better only worse.

Gay marriage was not codified in a way that prevents repeal at any point, similar to abortion rights.

There's basically no way for that to be done in the current system. Firstly democrats have not held a 2/3rds majority to make that an amendment, and even amendments can be reversed see prohibition.

[-] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

It is not “give me everything”. It is “give me an option that actually gives a realistic path forward for change and doesn’t just give households with $70k/yr income or more enough comfort to turn a blind eye to all the rot that Trump laid bare”

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