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[-] Lydia_K@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Ah yes, the solution to bad people in power is to not even bother trying to vote for change, doing nothing will totally solve this problem.

It certainly solved it when they did exactly that the last elections. I mean, israhell is not genociding gaza anymore, and prices are down... right?

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[-] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 0 points 2 weeks ago

Every single person you berate for "not voting for imperfect candidates" already fucking does it. You're bashing people on your own team for the purpose of punching left. But every time we try to push on the fucking PRIMARY for a candidate that isn't complete dogshit, you fucks sabotage them at every turn, and then act surprised when you lose because you forced the bad unimpressive corporate candidate forth due to "electability" and red scare bullshit.

Progressives as a collective are not marxist-leninists. Stop treating us like we are. MLs spend 16 hours a day being loud in the internet, most of us actual progressives have actual lives and organize IRL instead of wanking over Marx and telling Ukranian children they're Nazis on social media.

[-] Lydia_K@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

No, they don't already do that, because turnout is dogshit, if everyone did that we wouldn't have that problem.

Please criticize the fuck out of the candidates and policies, they fucking suck and they need to know we want progressives not the crap they are parading around, but this meme isn't doing that, it's just sending the message that it's pointless to try, it feels like right wing created content to keep people from bothering to vote at all, and when you look at the numbers, that's exactly what's happening.

[-] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Bullshit. Absolute drivel. More voting is what solves this not less

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

More voting is what solves this not less

Betrayal discourages voting, but the party keeps doing it anyway.

[-] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

the party

I thought the only party that Ensign_Crab cared about was the United Russia party

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

I don't trust them to run honest primaries either.

[-] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah they're exactly the same. That must be why you spend all your time shitting on the parties trying to stop the fascist but rarely say anything against the farther right parties. Makes sense

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

That must be why you spend all your time shitting on the parties trying to stop the fascist

Democrats try to appease fascists. They try to stop progressives. Haven't you noticed?

but rarely say anything against the farther right parties.

I don't have much occasion to reply to pushback from the farther right parties on lemmy. I'm ok with that. Please don't invite them.

[-] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

Your objectives are quite clear.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder what you've imagined to keep yourself from confronting the reality that the time for centrists' triangulation and capitulation has long since passed.

[-] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

? That's as obvious as the fact that you're a GOP agent lol

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Keep lying to yourself. It'll make the cognitive dissonance go away. The genocide wing did the wrong thing and lost by doing it. You need voters to win.

[-] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yes you know quite well that voters are needed to stop fascism. That's exactly why your main agenda is to stop people from voting. Your pre written scripts are failing you today. You might want to let your handlers know

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[-] starik@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 weeks ago

If you vote for Democrats in general elections, they’re not talking about you. There are a lot of dumbasses on the left who don’t vote, or throw their votes away on hopeless third parties.

[-] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Those people are not numerous enough to matter. They're mostly internet MLs who spend 16 hours a day yapping on social media so they look like the common consensus.

[-] starik@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 weeks ago

2016 Election: Stein Votes vs. Trump Margin

  • Michigan: Trump won by 10,704 votes. Stein received 51,463 votes.
  • Wisconsin: Trump won by 22,748 votes. Stein received 31,006 votes.
  • Pennsylvania: Trump won by 46,765 votes. Stein received 49,678 votes.
[-] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ahh yes blame the people who believe in democracy enough to vote their conscience, the smallest percentage of people. And not the cheaters.

Definitely not the bomb threats, the thrown out voter rolls, the mail-in ballots in ditches, the constant redistricting. It's the tiniest percentage of people who have all the power.

Nevermind the Michigan Data, or the Pennsylvania Data. Or the 30%-40% that sit the fuck out every national election. No it's that tiny percent.

For the record I voted Harris because I do believe in harm reduction over absolutism, but it's fucking stupid to blame the third party voters that happen to actually believe in democracy and that you should vote for who you want, not who can win.

Frankly if we as a nation would had voted for a third party or independent candidate sooner, it's quite possible the either Major Party would have died like the Whigs when the Republican Party came onto the scene.

Just think about it critically instead of continuing that stupid ass dogma that got us here in the first place.

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Stein was a spoiler and a Russian asset, if voting your conscious meant voting for her your conscious is fuckin stupid.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You can see how refusing to distance herself from genocide left an opening that spoiler candidates could exploit, can't you?

And since you and a bunch of other dopey centrists are gonna imagine that this is somehow an admission of a vote for stein if I don't say this: I voted for harris.

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

The people shouting the loudest about Gaza historically don't fucking vote, ever. So why would anyone assume catering to them would amount to anything when they already don't vote? It's not complicated and her position on Palestine likely didn't have significant effect on the outcome because anyone that actually votes knew well the republicans would embolden netanyahu. And good that you voted for Harris, now please stop trying to convince people not to vote because that gets republicans elected and republicans are worse because they're unified and they're all as bad as the worst Dems. It's not fucking complicated. Like this is literally the only option that isn't full on violent revolution, societal collapse, or the christofascist technofeudalist dystopia the republicans are ushering in.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

The people shouting the loudest about Gaza historically don’t fucking vote, ever.

I shout pretty loud about the genocide wing's greatest accomplishment, and I vote.

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Ok? Good for you, anecdotes aren't data and progressives still mostly don't vote.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Do the republicans your wing of the party keeps pursuing vote for you? Because it seems to me like "you never vote for us" never caused centrists to ignore them.

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

I don't understand why you refuse to understand that if progressives voted for progressive candidates in democratic primaries in enough numbers then we would have progressive democratic candidates.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Centrists love to imagine that lack of trust is lack of understanding.

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

If progressives voted progressively we'd have a progressive party. We don't, therefore progressives don't vote.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

"If you just voted in the primaries we didn't have because we don't want to listen to you, we would listen to you!"

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

And we're going in circles. There weren't any cancelled primaries and you're just proving Americans deserve what we're getting. You're clearly asking for more.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

You're pretending that what we got were primaries because you like the genocidal candidate who was coronated.

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[-] starik@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 weeks ago

National elections are so close these days, any of these things could be the but-for difference maker in any given election. Certainly the large number of non-voters you mention (I’m note sure if any of those election fraud claims are consequential).

But, in this thread, we are responding to one particular group that consistently helps Republicans win, because they’re the ones who posted it, and they’re here in the comments to be argued with!

[-] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Except it's never been their fault. Even in the "best" years third party voters make up less than 5% of the electorate. It's a lie of statistics to not mention the non-voters. You're telling me that the third party voters are more at fault than politician whose job is to get elected being unable to steal that percentage from the non voters?

No what does happen instead? What did The Democratic Party do not long before the election? Did they appeal to the Non-Voters? Or did they appeal to "moderate" Republicans? Did they go for the larger percentage, or one that was no doubt slim and taken for?

Like doesn't it seem silly to blame 5 when 30 is such a larger number? Isn't it dumb to blame people treating democracy like democracy instead of the politicians that won't meet the electorate where it matters?

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Third party voters and non voters both get republicans elected so I don't concern myself with a distinction. They're both in the group of people that clearly don't understand how the government works, or was supposed to before they let republicans ratfuck it.

[-] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, why bother with understanding when you can just place blame. Then you'll bitch about how the Democratic Party lost again because they can't meet the electorate where they're at.

Revel in your ignorance and stupidity I guess. More worried about placing blame than fixing things like a good little blueberry.

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Behold, the people that clearly don't understand how the government works.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe try understanding how voters work.

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

It's every American's duty and responsibility to be civically engaged and informed. The onus is always on the voter. It mostly just speaks to how goddamn stupid and/or disengaged the average American is that they still don't understand how the system functions at a basic level. And how they can be all reliable to refusing to act in their best interests. Y'all think everything comes down to a giant douche and a turd sandwich so you take the turd sandwich because you can't tell the difference between literally eating shit and a weird shaped water tank.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

It’s every American’s duty and responsibility to be civically engaged and informed. The onus is always on the voter.

Sure, if you're in a lecturin' mood. Here in the reality where that attitude lost you two elections to donald trump, the party needs to appeal to the voters.

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

This mindset is why Americans deserve what we're getting. Congratulations buddy. You're part of the problem.

[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago

If you want to make voting into a health food you eat because your mommy forces you to and says it’s good for you instead of a way for people to improve their lives, don’t get mad when turnout is dogshit.

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yes you are the American that deserves what we're getting because you're apparently too fucking stupid to act in your best interests.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

This is how democrats sell genocidal candidates and then wonder why they lose.

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Hmm, active during Russian hours. Fuck off bot.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

You're really playing the centrist thought-terminating cliche greatest hits album, huh?

We would have won if we had primaries. When you remove all the candidates but one via lawfare, that's not a primary. It's a hideous mockery of democracy.

[-] edible_funk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

We had primaries ya dumb fuckin bot.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

You had fake show primaries with only one candidate because the party's lawsuits made sure of it.

You keep shouting "russian" at me, but you're the one demanding that I accept soviet style single-candidate elections.

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