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[-] treesquid@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

In the same way that two cars driving away from each other at 60 mph have relative speeds of 120 mph with regard to each other, two bodies moving away from each other at less than the speed of light have relative speeds exceeding it. Everything in the universe is moving away from everything else and sometimes at relative speeds that exceed the speed of light. Nothing is individually exceeding the speed of light in absolute terms.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That's intuitive but actually completely wrong. There is no "absolute" reference frame, and nothing can move faster than light in any relative reference frame.

The only thing that gets around that is the expansion of space itself. It's not that the objects are moving away from each other, it's that the distance between them is expanding, causing them to become farther apart.

The best analogy is to picture an ant crawling on the surface of an expanding balloon.

[-] Rooster326@programming.dev 5 points 4 days ago

Okay but the ant can still only go at the speed of ant.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Exactly! That's why we have a concept of observable universe.

As the universe expands (think of it not as ants moving, but more space created between ants as balloon gets inflated), at some distance away from us it starts doing so faster than light.

The light, however, can only travel at, well, the speed of light. As such, we will never see or reach anything that is beyond this light speed horizon. And as the expansion of the universe speeds up, more and more objects that we can still observe will disappear beyond this point.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 9 points 4 days ago

I fucking hate that aspect of Special Relativity when I did l A-Level Physics (wait, shouldn’t that be “Physic” in the US to go with “Math”?). Two spaceships head off in opposite directions at light speed - from the frame of reference of each spaceship, the other is moving away at C, not 2C, because the Universe would rather slow down time itself than let anything move faster than its stupid precious C!

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Wait does that mean theoretically one thing can slow another down by just being an observer if it is also moving in the opposite direction?

[-] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

It’s pretty complicated and it’s been a while since i read the layman’s-terms no-maths explanations, but think of it like driving

You’re in a car looking at another car which is driving at the same speed on s road which is parallel to you. You’re both going to look like you’re driving at the same speed and travelling the same distance

Now say that rather than being parallel the roads are at an angle to each other. Say 45 degrees. Now when you look at the other car, even though its Speedo will say the same as yours it’ll look to you like it’s going slower and it’ll fall behind you. After a while you won’t be able to see it out of the drivers side window and will have to look through the back seat window and then the rear window to see it

And the experience in the other car will be the same - they’ll see you as going slower and falling behind them

Nobody’s speed has actually changed, it just looks different from each car’s perspective

If you can mentally change “difference travelled” to “time passing”, then that’s how to conceptualise it

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Cool, that's a good explanation, thanks

[-] Luna@ani.social 7 points 4 days ago

Relative speeds also cannot exceed the speed of light. Since there's no absolute reference frame, if this were possible it would be no different than exceeding the speed of light on "absolute" terms. Once you get up to speeds where this would matter, funny dilation effects that I'm too dumb to understand would prevent this.

[-] childOfMagenta@jlai.lu 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Cars are not driving away from each other at more than the speed of light relatively. The road is stretching faster than the speed of light.

[-] plutopos@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

Yeah, but wouldn't this lead to the cars perceiving each other as moving faster than light?

[-] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 3 points 3 days ago

No, because the space is expanding faster than light, the light can't bridge the gap and so you and the other car simply can't perceive each other at all.

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