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Admittedly, I don't know much about Brexit, but from what I have been exposed to, it seems like a decisively economical and political impairment that made travel and business with the rest of Europe more difficult and costly. Since it is so highly criticized as a terrible move, why doesn't the UK just rejoin the EU?

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[-] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de -3 points 1 year ago

I disagree - on paper sure they would, but at the end of the day the UK is the ≈2nd biggest economy in Europe (UK and France make up 2nd & 3rd and who is bigger changes every couple of years), unlike Georgia or Moldova or whoever else where their joining is barely noticeable.

That means that the EU is more likely to want the UK to join, vs smaller countries wanting to join the EU, although it would be mutually beneficial of course - the UK would likely increase the EU's power a little more than the EU would increase the UK's power, but saying that hides the fact that it'd probably be a 10+% increase in both cases.

Of course the EU could make an example of the UK if they were want to rejoin, but if they were to look at it objectively then they'd most likely reach the conclusion that the negatives of making the concessions they made before are far outweighed by the additional collective power of having the UK as a member.

[-] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 year ago

The UK has proven itself to be a very fickle partner. If they want to join, we would need some serious proofs of good faith. Those proofs are called Euro and Schengen.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

The best outcome for the EU would be to drag their feet and wait a decade for readmittance. Right now companies are moving from the UK to the EU.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

This is exactly the mentality that made Brexit come true and the post-Brexit agreements such a mess: "The EU needs the UK more than the other way round!". Now look at it and tell me who needs whom more?

[-] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Neither truly needs the other - both are hurt by Brexit but they're both getting along ok without the other (although brexit was far softer than people tend to realise - aside from a few very major things the UK is still de facto in a lot of EU institutions, and not including issues caused by Russian invasions)

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 10 points 1 year ago

I don't think EU has any reason to "make an example" by being hard on UK, but they also have no reason to bend the rules to be soft on UK. It would be a really bad signal to send to other joining countries to let the ex-country in easier.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The longer the wait, the sweeter the deal - for the EU.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah well, I'd like them to rejoin before they run the country further down. I've visited London several times and I'm shocked to see how it is noticeable falling behind already. If this keeps up, it won't be great for EU to accept a "Mississippi" state. The sooner they rejoin the better it is for both UK and EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/03/britain-economy-society

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I wholly agree, but as long as the political scene is like it is, it will be quite unlikely. I guess it will take at least a generation to get over this in the UK alone, and then it will be questionable still.

[-] Pandoras_Can_Opener@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

It seems the British (IMO the English in particular) need to eat humble pie and the way to make them is sadly economic ruin.

It's no good letting in somebody who is that flaky and loud and proud about it.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 9 points 1 year ago

UK would likely increase the EU’s power a little more than the EU would increase the UK’s power

This belongs on the side of a Brexit bus.

[-] Pandoras_Can_Opener@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

Making the same concessions and signal to every other country that you can just hop in and out on a whim? Uhhh I have a bridge to sell you if you really believe that.

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