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[-] Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml 60 points 1 year ago

The grandaddy of the fantasy genre, Tolkein's Lord of the Rings, is so old it's an allegory for the evils of the Industrial Revolution.

[-] abc@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

The grandaddy of the fantasy genre, Tolkein's Lord of the Rings

George MacDonald/HG Wells/William Morris erasure!!!

[-] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

Actually it's specifically not meant as an allegory, Tolkien's political views just shine through.

[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

The Shire, a pastoral Garden of Eden kept in a medieval-communal state where the biggest worry is how much food your friend is going to eat when they come for a visit to get high and drunk.

Mordor, an advanced state using all kinds of witchery like gunpowder and mechanical engineering, looks like hell filled with ash and dust like a factory might.

i wonder what he meant by this thinking-about-it

[-] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

And if you think its an intentional allegory by Tolkien, Tolkien thinks you're wrong.

[-] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Tolkien specifically stated that it wasn’t an allegory because his bff CS Lewis (whose Narnia books were explicitly supposed to be read as christian allegory with Alan = Jesus) tried to pressure him to do the same. Tolkien was Catholic and Lewis was Protestant, but they were both very religious. Tolkien felt that the approach Lewis took was too ham-fisted.

However, what Tolkien specifically objected to was the interpretation of his work as allegorical to the world wars. He would go on and on about how the ring was not the atomic bomb. He was, however, an unapologetic romanticist and he made sure his readers knew that. Saruman was the bad guy in that respect - he served evil out of greed and cut down forests and destroyed the land to serve his own ambition, the allegory with which he’s bashing readers over the head in the last bit with the Scouring of the Shire. He really liked the idea of jolly peasant farmers, the reality of actual peasant farmers not being relevant.

I think his work was colored by his war experiences, but wasn’t intended as allegorical in that respect. On the other hand, hobbits, Treebeard, Tom Bombadil, Lothlorien, and the rest were very deliberate.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

iirc he did make sure to respect the reader's right to see it as applicable though right? Or maybe I'm mixing Tolkein up with another author who denied allegorical intent.

[-] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

An early draft of The Fall of Gondolin featured orcs in mechanized tanks.

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Tolkien creating Warhammer before Warhammer.

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