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Wayland or X11? Why?
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I don't think that's a feature many people actually needed, something like accessability is peobably a better argument but I agree with the fundamental statment
Agree, network transparency is a super power user feature.
And frankly VNC is good enough.
I just found it sad that a really powerful feature was dismissed as "no-one actually wants this" (yes I do) and "just use VNC" (I shouldn't have to) and "just plug a monitor in" (well yeah).
I would have hoped that is have been a protocol extension or something rather than outright dismissed as "doing it wrong".
I think thee main reason for some of Waylands feature cuts next to security and legacy stuff no one needs anymore is the unmaintainable giant X11 became but I agree, some sort of reliable way to extend the protocol directly would be cool to have eventually, usually that stuff shouldn't really be in the protocol itself ether tho!
Oh hell no. Vnc isn’t application specific, dynamically resizable, and requires adding that to remote hosts when ssh and x is already there. You know nothing, John Snow.
Good enough, just means barely adequate, it doesn't actually mean good.
But yeah. I like my X11.
Don’t tell me I don’t need it, I use it every day to run apps not yet available on arm from another system. I’ve used it for years at work, as well. Just because it’s for something other than fricking gamer’s doesn’t mean it is not needed.
I never claimed you or others don't need it, just that it's a featore most people don't need... Furthermore almost anyone who claims to need it would be totally fine with a implementation outside of the display protocol (E.g. VNC) too so the amount of people who actually need it is extremly small.
No, Vnc is not a solution. It is an entire remote screen instead of individual remote apps. Claiming Vnc is a suitable replacement is just ignorance of the workflow.
If that's not enough for your workflow you probably want Waypipe, maybe just Google before you rage for no reason next time! https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mstoeckl/waypipe/
Extra crap as workarounds instead of fixing the real problem, which is Wayland. No thank you.
The actual ptoblem is that X11 is impossible to maintain which is why X.org moved to Wayland... I guess some people don't want to understand jack shit!
Not impossible to maintain, just no one cares to anymore. It's not new and flashy, which is all people care to work on these days. So they make something new with half of what the old standard did. For the rest, they let it fall to others to write hack workarounds, because hey, they didn't need features x y and z, not their problem, right? Why should they care if they create a new standard that breaks shit for tons of people, it does what they want... which is likely fricking useless things like games. This obsession with gaming is out of control, and it's pulling devs away from the things that really need working on. Get a gosh darn console if you need to drown your sorrows in games, ffs. Meanwhile, fix X11, or replace it, but do so FULLY so you don't break things that have worked for over a decade.
I should stop trying to argue with fucking idiots, there is nothing that will convince one of your kind and we sadly have FAR too many in the open source community! :/
Then add the damn missing necessary features so things work as a completely transparent drop in replacement. Wayland is woefully incomplete! It's a damn huge step backwards!