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I hope not eventually thier base will die out. Majority of young voters will be left leaning. Sorry GOP boomers are dying and so will your party.
The issue for the GOP is millennials are not getting more conservative as they age. IIRC it's like a 55/45 split in dems favor and it's gets more starkly blue the younger you go. If this trend continues of young people not getting more conservative, the GOP is beyond fucked.
It's a problem because of free movement. I live in GA which us now gloriously purple. Do you know the biggest problem GA has right now? The homesteading movement. A lot of urbanites are spreading from cities. My county (which I just move to lol) was so close to flipping blue they split it in two. And that doesn't matter because I've seen democrat leaning people from the city movement even further past me deeper into rural GA.
To me, this is why they're fighting municipal broadband. I actually fucking hate cities. I've lived in the heart or Atlanta, of DC and more. I hate it. I'd rather a real small town (not bullshit suburbs). I can live here because the town has city sponsored fiber internet. It has made the whole ass area a magnet for tech people. Locals hate it. The city loves that sweet, sweet tax money. And it's like a virus prompting neighboring cities to give it a whirl. But you get just a drop of city folk to move and suddenly a whole district is blue.
That's why this widening divide is a horrible problem. I know a lot of people like me, liberal city haters who are chained to cities for jobs. Some people move because they can, but a lot more people are moving because they have to. My sister lives in bumfuck, GA because that's where she can afford rent and that is a stealth problem for the GOP IMO. Kids are going to show up and gentrify their small towns as broadcast rolls out and remote work is more common
Sometimes I see people saying raising a family in a city sucks and oof, man, my experience growing up in the suburbs was a nightmare. Can't go anywhere. Nothing to do. Can't even see friends unless I can convince my parents to drive me.
People I knew growing up in the city had freedom. I was always so jealous.
Maybe it's different if your nearest city is some car hell hole instead of New York.
Apologies for the tangent
There's a middle ground. I'm in a true small city of 10K and I love it. The city is all of 10 miles square. It has all the basics movie theater, most chains, etc. The city isn't walkable, but it is bikeable and I've found that to be good enough. I grew up in a city like this and I wanted that for my kid. We still drive into the local metro maybe once a month, but I don't ever need to go into the metro for basics.
So, basically every city not on the eastern seaboard, lol.
But I'm not talking about moving fuck all no where. I'm talking about expanding the range impact of cities. We got this way because people all moved to cities. If people spread like a wave away from cities, then the power impact decreases. My town is went from a Christian stronghold where you couldn't drink and everything was closed on Sunday to a place where a Republicans have to battle for local spots and most highly religious laws have been repealed.
Im halfway between 2 major cities. One is the major metro and the other a mid-size city. It used to be very red going 30 minutes away from either, but now we have a sea of purple. And areas are only getting bluer.
Everywhere in GA outside of like 4 cities is bumbfuck, but being I proximity of cities and growing small towns into midsized cities is the way to win. When I was a kid my hometown was bumfuck, GA. Now it's a major city (for GA. I mean it's sub-1 million by a lot) and solidly blue when it used to be very red.
We won't see an AOC type for a long time, but a moderate republican (not a Manchin type) is a way better platform than any republican.
I wonder how the “I just want to live my life” crowd squares that mindset with republican policies. Because so far the only people fucking with my life have been the republicans. No you cant smoke weed, yes you must have a baby, go fuck yourself for healthcare, but here’s some tax cuts! (Just kidding, those are only for the rich people). Also, I hope you like video because we are banning alllll the books.
They don't because they can't. As a Classical Liberal / Libertarian the people you are describing sicken me with their ongoing support for Government interference in people's personal lives. To put it in the simplest possible terms the Government has no business in your bedroom, board room, doctors office, or gun safe.
I'm very angry at the recent attacks on gender affirming care for the LGBTQ+ folks, the fuckery happening with travel for abortion access, and a laundry list of other issues where Republican led States are tramping all over people's rights. I'm also still pissed off at Texas and Florida over their COVID policies disallowing private companies from being able to require masks and / or covid vaccinations for employees and customers.
Ronald Reagan once described Libertarianism as "the very heart and soul of conservatism" and he was correct. The problem with most so called "Conservatives" today is that they've lost their "heart and soul" and become Regressives in the process.
If we continue Reagan's quote, linked up above, we can see just how far off the god damned rails today's Conservatives are: "The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.”
Any Libertarian supporting the Regressive and Authoritarian efforts of today's Conservatives is a lying LINO.
We need to find a way to shutdown the outrage stroking right wing indoctrination media complex first.
If you have no prospects and no education to know how to separate reality from hate mongering lies it's pretty easy for an alternate reality talking head to convince you that the only reason you don't have a job, house and wife is because someone named Carlos was allowed past the border to pick cucumbers.
Their base is already dying out. They wouldn’t need to try so hard to rig Wisconsin’s election if they already had a majority. What we’re seeing is a dying party trying to claw its way back to relevance.
I've heard this for literal decades. It's clearly not something we can bank on.
a lot of younger cheddarheads have been raised in the maga ways, though. it might be the case overall, but not as defined here.
It's why all this has been accelerating to the point we are at now, where they aren't even trying to hide it, now. They have their voters so wound up and chomping for war against anyone they perceive to be a threat to rolling back to when white males had all the power and privilege.
It's why boomers won't leave the workforce, and Congress, even when they are being led around like a spin-off of *Weekend at Bernie's." Soon as they retire or step down, the youngsters come in undo all the lies and bullshit they were too dumb and/or gullible to question. The was just an employee recognition event where I work, which is in higher ed, and there was someone there who had over 55 years at the university. Fucking wild. I can't wait to retire and stop doing this money-for-time (and during the prime of my life) so some rich asshole can make more money in an hour than I make all year!
Yeah my company keeps hiring guys with 40 to 50 years experience and I am like WTF retire already.
There are tons of super right wing young people. I mean all the alt right "personalities" are probably under 40. Lots of my coworkers, for example, are at best die-hard Republicans, and most of them are under 35.
They're in no danger of dying out. And even if they actually are, we should rely on that to reduce the influence of the Republican party.
I'm not terribly hopeful. I'm an older millennial. As I've gotten older, I've watched my friends grow up, get jobs, have kids, move to the suburbs, etc. They got a little bit of what's theirs (obviously not enough, but still) and they want to protect it. They vote to protect their investment in their house and to keep their school district good. They're nowhere near fascist like the current crop of republican politicians, but they're scared and that leads them to voting more small c conservatively. You and I both know that republican policies are trash and that the values espoused in theory by the democratic party are better for them. But they finally made it. They're prizing stability or better, because change is scary.
Will the super racist republican party base die out? Maybe. Probably. But they're just going to be replaced by center right democrats. Sure, that's better, but not so much better that it'll fix all the problems we have. Maybe the gen-Zers can do something about it, but I'm afraid their political power will be dwarfed by the sheer size of the Millennial generation.
States are removing even the smallest traces of leftism from public schools and as those fail (by design) they're hoping families will opt into private schools that are traditionally parochial and thus indoctrinate children even harder.