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Zelensky dismisses compromise with Putin, pointing to Prigozhin’s death (www.cnn.com)

submitted 1 year ago by deconstruct@lemm.ee to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

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Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky has said the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin – the Russian mercenary leader whose plane crashed weeks after he led a mutiny against Moscow’s military leadership – shows what happens when people make deals with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

As Ukraine’s counteroffensive moves into a fourth month, with only modest gains to show so far, Zelensky told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria he rejected suggestions it was time to negotiate peace with the Kremlin.

“When you want to have a compromise or a dialogue with somebody, you cannot do it with a liar,” Volodymyr Zelensky said.

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[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Then russia suffers until they learn (so probably forever).

Ukraine has the will and the west has the means to make this a very painful lesson, maybe even Russians can learn this time.

[+] bdonvr@thelemmy.club -15 points 1 year ago

By every account Russia has the manpower to outlast Ukraine in this. I'm sure whoever is left in Ukraine once NATO is done teaching Russia this "lesson" will be so glad to have been a part of this.

[-] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 year ago

By every account Russia has the manpower to outlast Ukraine in this.

Wars don't end because you kill everyone on the other side. The American revolutionaries didn't murder every single English citizen on the face of the earth. Yet, they still won.

The point is to last long enough and inflict enough losses that the other side does not want to continue the war. In Clausewitzian terms, even if you can't win the Trial of Strength, you can still win the Battle of Wills.

I'm sure whoever is left in Ukraine once NATO is done teaching Russia this "lesson" will be so glad to have been a part of this.

Ukraine is an independent country that is completely capable of deciding for themselves whether, and at what cost, they want to keep fighting off a foreign invader occupying their territory. This is also part of the "Battle of Wills".

I'm not saying that NATO and its members don't have an interest in the conflict, but the tell-tale sign that you're regurgitating Russian propaganda is that in your arguments Ukraine has no agency.

[-] mrnotoriousman@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

If you lay off the Kremlin propaganda for a minute you'll realize what a laughing stock they are to the real militaries in the world.

[+] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml -7 points 1 year ago

Ok so, assuming the Russian army is the laughing stock of the world, then why isn't the Ukrainian Army an even bigger laughing stock?

For a long time I heard one thing after another about how incompetent the Russian army is. For 1 and a half years, the most incompetent, laughing stock of the world, army has been... losing?

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Because ukraine is a smaller country, and has been handing russia its ass.

This is exactly like if the US attacked canada and got its ass handed to it.

No, Canada is actually competent, this is much worse.

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago

The counteroffensive has been an utter disaster, they've reclaimed almost no land in months and it has severely cost them in lost men and equipment. Ukraine is anything but competent as they are hugely struggling in the heavily mined territories also covered by artillery and air support.