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Yes. And were fined. But that’s perfunctory so that they can make more money smuggling oil. The sanctions are solely enforced by the U.S., without consent of the UN.
Your own link argues against you:
"But the Suez Rajan case was unique at the time of the transfer because it was owned by the Los Angeles-based private equity firm Oaktree Capital Management. "
At the time the ship was being used for moving US sanctioned oil, it was own by a US company. That supports @NateNate60@lemmy.ml 's statements.
That is correct and why they could prosecute this case. But they have been seizing oil since 2019. And even if all those tankers were partially owned by US companies, it still doesn’t change the fact that this amounts to piracy. Defending international injustice with legalese doesn’t absolve what this is. When China seizes our tankers because the parts were made in China, will you defend them?
If the tankers or company is operating in the US, then they are bound by US laws no matter where they are in the world. A company can't benefit from the protection of the US government and laws at home only to go abroad to commit US crimes.
Many countries can use that justification. Why are you defending an act that you’d condemn if it was done to America?
You're really committed to the act, even after multiple people have pointed out your error in reading this situation. Kudos to you I guess?
It’s not an act. I care about this world I live in. I don’t debate to convince the people that disagree with me. I do it to show that those people don’t use logic and reason to decide their beliefs. They want the illusion of confirmation bias. I try to disrupt that illusion. We need to see the world from different perspectives.
I hate that "confirmation bias" have become moo words with people nowadays.
The logic is pretty sound:
I remark that sanctions do not require the approval of the United Nations. Under customary international law, it is an application of sovereign authority. Any country can apply sanctions and can do so in any way you like. What the USA has said is that "if you want to do business here, we forbid you from doing business with Iran".
I appreciate you going the distance with that guy. I don't think they changed their mind, nor do I think they have the capacity to. You certainly kept it on level for us in the peanut gallery though. Cheers!
You owe me $250 million for using the word “moo.” I sanctioned you 5 hours ago, without your knowledge or approval. You have to do what I want, because I have a bigger stick. I can make up whatever law or sanction I want, and you have to follow it or I’ll destroy your town. Pretzel logic. Call it confirmation bias or sucking your own dick, but that’s what is going on.
I wasn't aware that you were a sovereign state or that I had any money deposited in your banks or that I do business of any sort with you.
You can sanction me by putting a permanent embargo on conversing with me by blocking me if you want
It was an analogy. I don’t want to block you. I want to have an intelligent discussion about the merits of this act. But people just want to defend America despite its despotic acts. It makes me sad.
The analogy is closer to you getting banned by a lemmy instance for breaking their rules when replying to comments from another instance. Just because you're abroad doesn't mean you're ungoverned.
There is no governance between states.
This isn't an action between states. A US based company bought oil from Iran (hence why it's Iranian oil, they're referencing origin, not ownership) to sell to China. That us based company was found to be in violation of US sanctions against Iran. They capitulated because they still wish to do business in the US.
Do you logic bro?
Wow you suddenly got so juvenile lmao
Trying to relate to the audience.
Logic - US said do not do that.
Reason - They did it.
If this has insulin, guns, food. You'd probably not care at all. This article would never be written.
America is not GOD.
Downvoters believe that America is indeed god. That is how far America's dick is down their throat.
It’s difficult when you first begin to realize that what you’ve been told is the truth your whole life is lie. It happened to me with the Iraq war and the PNAC report. I try to remain compassionate, because, as an American, I’ve been there. The truth sucks. It’s easier to believe the lies.
China tried to run illegal police stations in numerous countries.
And that has nothing to do with this story.
Neither does anything that you're arguing about.
I’m not a fish.
Congratulations.