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So you want to come at me with the gulags
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Thanks! I was looking it over and something stood out to me.
Can I ask where that 2.8% figure came from? That's almost 10 million people and seemed like it was quite high to me. I followed the reference number to a blog which has this quote:
I tried but I didn't see this FLT-AP source in their references section and couldn't find it with a quick Google. This is several times larger than the number reported by the Bureau of "Justice" so I wanted to check the source to see why there was such a large disparity. I'm not saying the figure is wrong, but maybe it would be helpful to briefly explain why there is such a stark difference from the government source.
Also the prolewiki page says "currently incarcerated" and the reference is referring to nearly 30 years ago. The 2.8% figure could still be accurate, but maybe a different source should be used to back that up.
Sorry for the criticism. I really do appreciate the work you and the other editors have put in! I know very little about this subject, but feel like I learned a bit by reading the page.
Thanks for the comment, this is actually something I'd raised in the talk page if we want to use this figure as a comparison: we need to know if they're talking about incarcerated people or everyone "in the system" (parole, pre-trial, house arrest, etc) and the adult or entire population. We need to compare apples to apples so a thorough investigation is required on both the US numbers and the USSR numbers. I think for now I might remove this entire comparison, as it also kinda falls on the defensive like "oh but look how much worse the US is!". Showing the USSR was far from the worst incarcerator (as it's commonly believed you could be jailed for anything) is probably enough.
Oh I didn't know there were talk pages. Yeah I agree an apples to apples comparison would be good, but if you don't have that it's probably best to not include it.