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Omg, bro don’t spout this communist manifesto shit at me please!
And to the second part “then we’ll just make more tires” is where the devil is in the details. How is that organized? How is that, more importantly, enforced?
You can’t just “bourgeoisie” and the. “We’ll just make more” and skirt off into the sunset. How will we, how exactly will we, make more tires?
Like really dive in here, because this is where the rubber meets the road. How do we ‘just make more’? Where do the workers come from? How do they know we even need to make more tires? Who tells them? And what happens if …. No one shows up to make any more tires?
What if everyone is too busy hiking, or learning a new language, or doing art or writing great novels to make more tires?
If you really want to dive in then just go and read Capital. Otherwise, the short and sweet of it is that it would really be up to the workers. The particular solutions will probably vary depending on the industry, location, the status of the revolution and whatnot, but it might involve combinations of time banks, computer AIs, human engineers just doing the math, and/or even some forms of markets and price signals.
Heard that before. Remember the USSR?
Why would anyone with a bit of critical thinking believe that would be a good model to try again. It is such a joke.
The critical thinker would consider that maybe the material conditions of the people of the former USSR would be better if dissolution never happened, that they are much better even 30 years after dissolution than if the USSR never happened in the first place.
No they fucking wouldn't. The USSR was completely failing and was being propped up by using up every resource and relying on old technologies to not break down. The house was slowly deteriorating and the sooner they left that model the sooner they could get on track to a sustainable system.
Unfortunately there was so little left after years of communism that it was pretty hard to kick start a functional economy. Communism just ingrained corruption so deep it is hard to invest there. Then you got a dictator type of government that again is centralizing much of their output and this is what you get. Shit economy with incredible stability.
Pretty much same in any country that has any model like that.
This is quite an in depth solution to sortof what you're talking about
https://www.thevenusproject.com/
It really only covers making sure people are fed, housed and watered. Personally I think cars are a pain in the arse, I'd rather run or cycle everywhere, but then that's not everybody. If you really liked them, and you were fed, housed and watered, you'd definitely have time to look at building or contributing to building one, assuming people don't tell you to fuck off because it's a noisy, smelly death trap...
Unfortunately, the likelihood would be that a lot of people couldn't handle being in the same kind of housing as everyone else, because they believe they're special. But logically this makes much more sense that what we're currently doing. Capitalism is extremely wasteful.
And before you say, well you'd never get people to agree to this. I think the tankies/fascists have solutions to that problem, you're just encouraging them...