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[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 167 points 1 year ago

Oof. I just want to say as a Jew that is constantly trying to dispel the myth of Jewish media conspiracies, Zuck really isn't doing us any favors here.

[-] Cyberwitch_7493@lemmy.dbzer0.com 66 points 1 year ago

And not all Jewish people support Israel! I have to assume many understand what's going on and side with Palestine.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

What does "side with Palestine" mean? I side with the innocent people unjustly targeted in both Israel and Palestine, Israel has tolerated completely unjust treatment of Palestinians as well as done it as a state. But, groups like HAMAS also fire missiles at innocent civilians. Not to mention the many nations that have tried to unprovoked invade Israel. I'm not saying the Israeli government is innocent, it's not, but it's more complicated than just "siding with Palestine" being the right answer.

[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

the many nations that have tried to unprovoked invade Israel

If we go far back in the history of the land... that list goes all the way to the paleolithic, and includes Israel itself. Some call it the "promised land", "holy land", and stuff like that, but in practice it looks more like the "cursed land".

[-] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If we go less far back, you'll find the point where the Roman's conquered the lands, kicked out all the Jews and renamed it to Palestina to spite them.

[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

"Syria Palaestina", for extra spite.

If we go back, Israelites were going around offering cities to either join them or be exterminated... if we go forward, Crusaders gave no option to anyone... and so on.

It's a really bad patch of land, now with too many large religions trying to claim it, some even hoping for the Apocalypse to start there ASAP. Then you add the water shortages, and global warming is only going to make those worse.

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[-] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Yeah I agree, I side with the innocent people, not necessarily all the semi-state entities in Palestine.

I can't blame them for wanting to fight back.

With attacking innocent civilians I can.

Hamas is less "attacking innocent civilians" and more doesn't know where civilians will be since they are a poor and oppressed retaliation force. And the Iron Dome is pretty much impenetrable because Israel shoots anything down in their airspace.

There is a very important difference between aiming generally at the oppressive force which includes civilians who continue to replace Palestinians who've lived there for their whole lives and targeting civilians, children included. Palestine does the former, Israel does the latter.

Look, I don't actually think I'm going to convince you of anything, but I hope it gives you pause at least.

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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago

I've been to Jewish gatherings where they had duplicates of some food products because half of them insisted on eating an Israeli brand and half of them refused to.

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, I'm one of them. But again, that's not the audience I'm worried about. I'm not worried about what the mainstream thinks of Jews, or Jews think of Jews, I am worried about the feedback loop between far right influencers who promote conspiracy theories and the disaffected media consumers that they radicalize into violence. This kind of behavior is fuel for a very dangerous cycle.

I don't disagree with this. Far right radicalization is a huge problem.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

And not all the people that support Israel are Jewish nor are being paid by Jews to do so. Many understand that Hamas is a fascist regime and simply don't like fascism.

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