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From the guy's own mouth.

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[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 38 points 1 year ago

There is nothing in this that reflects the title. It's nothing more than passive propaganda. They are relying on people to just read the title and not open the link.

What is actually said is:

And let me just end by saying that this reflects the political reality that nations are sovereign. Nations decide themselves, and Ukraine has of course the right to decide its own path. And it's up to Ukraine and NATO Allies to decide when Ukraine becomes a member. Russia cannot veto membership for any sovereign independent state in Europe.

[-] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago

Actually he also said (in the link):

“The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.”

[-] sxan@midwest.social 14 points 1 year ago

"If you don't promise to stop making new friends, I'm going to kill another one."

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

NATO is not a friend or friendly force, it is one of the great evils of our time, anyone arguing otherwise just wants to bomb third world countries.

Ask the citizens of Libya and Iraq how defensive and friendly NATO is.

The process of "joining NATO" is not anything equivalent to making friends, any country joining NATO essentially becomes a vassal for US interests. There's a reason why Sweden and Finland held out for so long.

[-] edge@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

There's a reason why Sweden and Finland held out for so long.

And that they're doing it with no say from the people.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago

"If you invite your serial killer gun nut friend to build a tree stand on your property pointed at my house, we're going to have problems"

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[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

Some Presidents should stick to declaring only things they have control over.

[-] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 1 year ago

Some NATO officials should stick to avoiding nuclear holocaust over some theoretical pissing contest.

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[-] nicman24@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

what about 2014

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