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What are the connotations of Joe Rogan?
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this post was submitted on 11 Sep 2023
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Well first his show is one of the biggest podcasts in existence and spent a lot of time at the #1 spot - it’s not just a new thing.
Compared to other career interlocutors we might name from old media like Barbara Walters or Michael Krasny, Joe Rogan is a major step down on intellect. He doesn’t really prepare for interviews - reading the subjects book or whatever. He just wings it and spends a lot of time nodding and saying “wow.”
This is a problem when he invites on guests who spew misinformation. Joe doesn’t know it’s misinformation because he doesn’t research. And in fact he seems to think he’s a rebel journalist who hosts people that others want to silence. And he himself falls for many conspiracy tropes, frequently throwing out phrases like “they don’t want anyone to know this.”
So you’ve got a big dumb show full of misinformation that reaches a lot of young people. This is a problem for a lot of folks.
Others love Joe and find his lack of intellect relatable. He’s just a “regular Joe” to them. Maybe they don’t want a fancy interviewer who’s read all the books. Maybe they want someone just as uninformed as them so the information conveyed in the interview arrives at their level.
Sadly, Joe’s now hosted many of the top minds in the world. People like Neil DeGrasse Tyson just see him as a podcast host who’s popular with the youths. So why not go on his show. These people have boosted his numbers even more and legitimized him. Then he brings on a vaccine denier and it all goes to shit. He seems to thrive in the criticism, too, doubling down on the fact that he wants to investigate the things everyone else wants to bury (when his critics say he’s just giving the worst people in the world a platform).
You make it sound like he just uses the Socratic method to give weirdos the rope they need to hang themselves. And maybe that’s true for a sophisticated audience who already come in with solid critical things skills in place. When they don’t, as is often the case for his under-25 audience who are still coming up, the appearance is that he treats them as legitimate - the same as he treats NDGT.
OMG now you sound like him. “They want to silence this!”
I said nothing about disallowing discussion. Or any other action that should be taken. We have someone here asking what’s up with JRE and I’m telling them. Are you trying to silence me????! You want to censor this!!!!
But more seriously:
Is it possible for media to spread disinformation? Can that be dangerous?
These are unambiguous “yes” and “yes” answers. And that’s what happens with this show. Period.
One way I celebrate his great heights is by treating him as the major media source he is. You want to have it both ways: celebrate his massive success but treat him like just some jackass talking about conspiracies. #unclebenwasright
Dude, you're misunderstanding. No one is saying the ideas can't be discussed. People are saying he's irresponsible for giving his platform to these people without doing his due diligence to inform the audience when they lie or say things that just aren't true. It's his platform and his responsibility to not send the information out in a vacuum that gives it space to spread without informing people of its (il)legitimacy.
Check out ONRAC for what I'd say is a pretty responsible way to discuss fringe (or just plain wrong) ideas.
I listen to Oh No Ross and Carrie frequently, and it does a similar thing except they actually do research and make sure to inform the listener about what they say that's wrong, misconstrued, or a lie. They look into the background of the people and their history and a whole lot of detail into what they're pushing. They don't just give them a platform that doesn't push back. It's irresponsible to do otherwise.
I stop listening to anyone who uses the word "misinformation" unironically.
I can't believe you would tell on yourself like this
You know that’s a real word that applies to things right? If someone is saying the earth is actually flat and making up things to prove it, that’s misinformation.
It's just used as an excuse to shut down speech the government/tech companies don't like because it doesn't fit their narrative.
So what if someone believes the earth is flat, let the people hear and decide for themselves. That's a bedrock of democracy, people are capable of making decisions for themselves. Not you or anyone else has a right to tell them what to believe or filter down the information they get.
No one is shutting down anything, they’re using their speech to classify things as misinformation. You’re allowed to note things are lies or untrue just as much as the people spewing it. There’s a reason regulations and rules exist in the first place, you can’t just lie about ingredients in food for example to protect from harm.
Regardless, misinformation is a real word that applies to things. If you tell someone that says they heard “if I drink bleach it’ll cure my cancer” that is not true and is false information (which can cause harm), there’s nothing wrong with that.
lol this ain't the flex you think it is, chief.