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[-] Nyssa@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago

I wonder if there's any data on how much bus tires pollute in this way on a per-passenger mile basis. I'm sure it's better than cars, but if it's still a major problem, I wonder if there's another way to manufacture less problematic tires. Maybe biodegradable?

[-] aeharding@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

We had the solution for that 100 years ago. Streetcars were once the primary mode of public transit in hundreds of North American cities and towns.

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[-] kaesaecracker@leminal.space 13 points 1 year ago

I do not want my tires to degrade by themselves - the solution is walkable/bikeable neighborhoods and public transport

[-] Nyssa@slrpnk.net -5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but bikes and buses still use tires. I was just wondering how the tires we will need to use in the future can be manufactured to reduce the pollution problem

[-] Koppensneller@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

To think that the pollution from tire wear on bikes and buses is even in the same magnitude as that on cars is deluding yourself.

[-] Nyssa@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

Im not saying they're apples to apples, I'm saying that I was just wondering if we could design tires that were less conducive to creating microparticles

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

No.

It doesn't matter what they're made of, either the street or the tire is going to break down due to friction. One of two things is being washed down the drain. And you don't want it to be the road.

You could design both road and wheel to be steel, those would break down the least, but steel wheels need tracks and then you're back to street cars. Which are great, by the way.

For a less disruptive solution, no current material matches the qualities of vulcanized rubber that we want for tires. The rubber we use on tires is relatively slow to break down, can hold pressure, makes good contact with rough surfaces, and is cheap.

If you can design a material that's better for the environment that does all of that, you'll be a billionaire within a year.

[-] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

That’s why trams and trains are useful. Metal wheels. Upfront costs are higher but ongoing maintenance costs are much lower.

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