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X11 is a mess and unmaintained, it's a huge ask. Assuming it's even possible on X11.
Besides, Wayland is literally X12.
X11 didn't have to be abandoned, that's my point. And nothing is "X12", as Wayland doesn't do a lot of what X11 did. Calling it "X12" is propaganda.
https://youtu.be/L4wBDkKI5YQ?si=g6IlSw3cCP1IOm1w
That doesn't make it produced by Xorg and licensed by Xorg to be X12. The network transparency being ignored is an issue. Vnc is not a 1 to 1 replacement for being able to remotely display individual apps and windows. As I said, there is no X12 and this backs me up on that. Gaming is not a use case for businesses, except gaming studios, any focus on gaming before it is a full replacement for X11 is a waste. Gaming should be a tacked on as an afterthought. This is a POSIX like system, for work. Dropping network transparency in favor of games being first will slow corporate adoption.
You are confused.
To be honest I've been disappointed by x11 over the network. It was very cool when I first learned of it, but just hasn't kept up with the heavier GUIs IMHO. There is waypipe if you want the same features x11 networking did. I am personally excited to see where remote application viewing can really go as we move off of X. An example of what some are working on with KDE plasma 6 Wayland for remote desktop/app: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aPx5tEruG_k
I've addressed the existence of waypipe before. It's an add-on, an afterthought... not a native part of wayland. Does it work? Seems to. Is it addressing a shortcoming in wayland? Yes. Does that mean the shortcoming is gone in wayland? No.
I don't understand the issue still. What feature are you missing or what issues do you face under this model?
You plan on fixing them all yourself? I’ve explained this in other threads enough, it’s not getting fixed, so unless you’re the magic dev that can turn wayland into a real X12, I’m not going through wasting my time again. Long story short, it’s not a proper replacement for X11.
It's just I've seen your sentiment before from others but have never read anything substantive on just general grumbling where the networking for graphics moved on the stack